Provenance Documentation Suggestion

Rusty, there are probably only 10,000 Sanu Bishwakarms in Nepal. We have really narrowed it down. His tag would be Sanu who works at shop 2 and makes sun, moon and stars khukuris.

"Oh, THAT Sanu!"

Uncle Bill
 
Remember that the Normans invaded in 1066, and as of 1100 Olaf the Black ( Norse ) was still King of Man and the Isles. One of Olaf's sons Lloyd/Leod was given the Hebrides Isles of Lewis, Harris, and about all of Sky except the MacDonald portion on the Slead penninsula. Hence Clan MacLeod. Did I mention my dad's name was (Mac)Donald Lewis Slate(Slead)? Of the Caskey sept of the MacLeod's of Lewis? Out of Balleymoney, County Antrim? How did school ever make history so boring?
 
From the lone shieling, and the misty island,
Mountains divide us and a waste of seas;
But still the blood is strong, and the heart is Highland
And we in dreams behold the Hebrides.

-Canadian Boat Song, 19th century.
 
Don`t forget Harold Hardrada,The Danemark and The Battle of Stamford Bridge a few days before,which played a hand in it.

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Rusty wondered:
How did school ever make history so boring?

As in the old joke: practice, practice, practice. Take some teachers who may like kids, but who don't have the foggiest notion of any of their subjects, stir in a hefty dose of bureaucracy and you can make even the most fascinating subjects boring. Kids are so wonderfully curious and most schools beat it out of them mercilessly. As parents, it is as much as we can do to keep that curiosity alive.


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Paul Neubauer
prn@bsu.edu

 
Uhh, prn, my wife just retired as a primary teacher

( Open mouth, insert foot... )ROFLMAO
 
All Right! finally the conversation comes around to Vikings! My favorite!



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Namaste,
Jeff Paulsen

"Oh, a magic khukuri. Why didn't you say so?"
 
Sorry, Rusty. My foot has occasionally been known to need prying out from fairly deep in my throat. If anyone read what I wrote as meaning "all teachers" or even "most teachers" I am truly sorry. I did say "some teachers" and that is what I meant.
Unfortunately, we often remember (and tell stories about
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) the bad experiences of our lives.

Actually, I have 3 sisters-in-law and at least one cousin-in-law who are currently primary school teachers. One is a music teacher. The other 3 are all very diligent and inventive about coming up with interesting and inventive ways to teach difficult concepts. I have heard all sorts of very interesting stories from them about what they do in their classes. I hope that their students appreciate the great teaching they get from these dedicated professionals.

However, I fear that out of 12 years of the normal obligatory schooling, most students will be faced with more than one teacher who pounds into them the anti-educational concepts that history is just names and dates of battles, etc., that geography is just how many state capitals they can name, that math is just memorizing their times tables, etc.

These are the sorts of "knowledge" that are easily tested on multiple-choice standardized exams and that state boards of education can specify in their curricula. Teachers and schools are frequently evaluated on how well their students do on the standard tests of the most trivial knowledge and virtually never based on any deeper means of determining how well their students understand the interesting concepts of a subject or why the subject is interesting at all.

It's hard for a teacher to overcome the inertia in a bureaucratically imposed curriculum and even harder when most teachers are trained in a similar curriculum themselves. Even high-school teachers are often educated only secondarily (pun intended
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) in the subjects that they nominally teach and mostly in "how to keep the class under control." It's even worse for primary school teachers who are rarely educated well enough to see the kinds of connections that really do make their subject matter interesting.

If anyone who knows better than I do wants to dispute what I have said, I will listen quite respectfully, but I am located at a university with one of the "best" teachers' colleges in the country and have heard way too many horror stories from my teacher friends and relatives to feel that the great teaching that I (too rarely) hear about is the norm. Many schools have some great teachers, but nearly all have some really boring teachers too. I'll stand by my earlier diagnosis that when you take some of the teachers who went into teaching because they like kids, but have no other qualifications, and mix in an unhealthy dose of bureaucracy, you have a recipe for boredom.


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Paul Neubauer
prn@bsu.edu

 
I have a couple of relatives who taught shcool also. I am not sure if they were good or bad. I hope good.

Upon reflection there were a couple of teachers I had during grade and high school that inspired and challenged me. All others droned on and said nothing and did the same.
College was better.

The problem is, of course, the way we pay teachers. Our society sees fit to pay a man 7 million dollars per year to throw a ball though a ring of steel. We see fit to pay the teachers to whom we entrust the future of our children 1/2 of 1 percent of that amount. The fault is ours and our value system.

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Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
http://members.aol.com/himimp/index.html
 
History is fantastic. Other cultures and languages are great. Physics improves your billiards; math improves your poker. English helps you say what you mean, and understand other people.

It's all practical, it's all fun, and nobody ever told me that in school. I stayed in high school because of band (being a trombone player), and after I'd graduated, I found that I could go to the library or a bookstore and learn more, faster, than was ever offered by my teachers. My textbooks were often wrong, the curriculum was designed to give the appearance of teaching without necessarily doing it, and it was generally unpleasent.

School is really messed up. I can't say it any clearer than that without writing 10 pages on the subject.

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Namaste,
Jeff Paulsen

"Oh, a magic khukuri. Why didn't you say so?"
 
prn, I love what you said in the "Happy New Year" thread, and thank you muchly for it.

That has nothing to do with a good opportunity to tease you. Still ROFLMAO
 
Hey, tease me all you want, Rusty! I get too serious too often. And I do suffer from hoof in mouth disease.
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Paul Neubauer
prn@bsu.edu

 
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