Puma vs Hen & Rooster

Oct 25, 2000
Which would prove the most durable if similiar models are compared,as for durability, edgeholding ?

Mike J
Yours is a question impossible to answer.
FYI, here is how to go about attempting to answer questions of this type:

Use a parallel search engine like dogpile.com which runs a number of search engines at once. Search 'Puma Knives.' This will yield a number of dealers, one of which is: http://www.tool-shop.com/knives/puma/2.html

This dealer kindly affords us the type of steels used in Puma knives, which include 1.4110, PTS 58 and 154 CM, depending upon the model of the knife in question.

A similar search through the dealers for Hen and Rooster is not as useful, the steels being described as 'stainless steel' and 'high carbon steel.' To futher confuse things, the A. G. Russell site, http://www.cuttingedge.com/ , offers this cautionary information:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Important Notice: All Hen & Rooster knives that we list are the REAL thing made by the original Bertram shop between 1865 and 1980 when the little firm was forced into bankruptcy. At some time in the future we may sell the Hen & Rooster knives currently being made by the Robert Klaas Co. but not while there are plenty of the real thing around.</font>

Thus we end up in the unenviable position of trying to compare 1.4110, PTS 58 and 154 CM with mystery steels. Hardly a profitable exercise.

You are probably familiar with 154 CM, the Crucible Particle Metallurgy alloy identical with ATS-34, except purified by AOD (Argon Oxyen Decarburization). 1.4110 and PTS 58 may be unfamiliar to you as they are to me. For foreign steel nomenclature, go to Joe Talmadge's excellent steel FAQ's, here: http://www.bladeforums.com/features/faqs.shtml You will find a number of URL's for foreign alloy nomenclature. Here is one: http://www.steel-sports.de/staehle.htm In this table, you will find that 1.4110 is the same thing as USA 440A. I was unable to find out what PTS 58 is. Thus, you are comparing mystery steel with mystery steel.

You now realize that your question is unanswerable, and why this is so; at least I hope you have a better idea of how to research this type of a question.

Thank you Walt very much for that informative answer to my question.
Mike J
Never met a Hen&Rooster, have met a few Pumas, they were rather variable in quality, one £180 skinner had guard and stag handle that looked like it had been put on by the local cobbler. Very rough. Their folders are pretty good but haven't seen any single-hand opening ones. Also kinda hard to resharpen.