Recommendation? Purchase advice for a fixed blade (for outdoors/camping) and a folding knife (camping/EDC)

True now that you say it but I guess an option to consider.

You can make a case that the Garberg is the best value and one of the best overall outdoors knives you can get. In addition to its performance, the shape of the point makes it the best tool for getting peanut butter from the bottom of the jar short of a silicone spatula!
 
ESEE 6 sounds like a winner, I also thought about the. Buck Compadre in 5160, and a Alox SA Pioneer X or Farmer X, or larger SA. And an Opinel just because they are light and slice well. I know you mentioned a little about restrictions, will carrying a knife that size be okay as long as you can justify it‘s use for camping?
 
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Dear Blade-Forums-members!

My name is Vincent, I am 32 years old and am living in Vienna (a big city in Austria). During high school, I went on a foreign exchange year to Idaho and fell in love with the outdoor lifestyle and hiking and camping trips. Following this amazing year, back in the city and busy with finishing my education and simply having had other priorities over the last years, I did not really get to enjoy the outdoors all that much. Nevertheless, now that I am settled in a little in my life and having grown up, I have come to find myself cherish the outdoors again to get away from my busy work schedule and just free my mind.

Welcome Vincent! I'm a good deal older than you but, followed a somewhat similar path. During college, I spent 6 months in the South of "West" Germany on a farm exchange program. After college, I was fortunate to have some work in the Northern Netherlands (Enschede area). I absolutely loved my time on that side of the Atlantic Ocean!

As I regularly go on trips into the mountains (most of the time renting a small cabin and hiking from there) and I just recently became interested in knives (watching hours of Youtube-videos and reviews), I would love to get my first set of decent knives for both my outdoor adventures (fixed blade) and also as a knive I could carry in my bag everyday.

First, if you ask three "Knife-Knuts" and only get five recommendations, you are talking to the wrong group! 🤣

As a fixed blade camping/outdoor knife, I was thinking about a blade length of 5-6 inches to handle most tasks that could come up during a camping trip, including food prep but also chopping wood. Regarding a folding knife, I would love to have knife which is not too heavy but tough to fulfill every day and camping needs.

I have been down this "road" ahead of you. For my main knife, I find the 4.5" to 5.5" fixed blade to be my most used and favorite size. Longer than 6" gets to be a bit cumbersome in terms of length being carried, stored, packed, transported, etc., and didn't provide enough advantage for me to be worth the extra hassles.

I also found the "extra heavy-duty" knives were so thick they didn't get much use. Sure, a saber ground 1/4" stock 7"~9" knife is easier to baton through a piece of firewood but, how often are you going to do that and why? Anytime I thought I would need to split or chop wood where a knife over 6" was needed, I took a small axe and found it simply worked much better. With thin 'cheeks' like you see on a Hunting Axe or the German pattern hand axes, they would generally work for the same tasks I used a fixed blade for if I 'choked up' on the axe head for fine work (close gentle work).

My biggest piece of advice is don't get an:
- overly heavy knife
- overly thick blade
- overly long blade

As you can imagine, being new to the whole knife-scene I feel very overwhelmed given the thousands of options. To give you a rough idea what I believe should suit me, I would say that for a fixed blade, I have been looking closer at the Esee 6 (I like the looks and the price point - at least if purchased in the US - seems appealing). Then of course being from Europe, I have read lots of great things about the Fällkniven A1, which is however almost twice as much as the Esee. Regarding a folding knife, I have been looking at the Spyderco Paramilitary 2 and Benchmade Knives (Bugout or Griptillian).

If I were in Vienna, I would look towards the Scandanavian fixed blade option to start.

Terävä options from Varusteleka would get a close look from me. I got one of their smaller ~4" knives and found it was great value in a hard use knife. I haven't personally used their bigger knives but, they get high marks in the Bushcrafter scene which is pretty consistent with how you will use your knives.

Don't overlook Morakniven (sp?) options. I get their knives shipped to the USA from Lamnia out of Finland and have been impressed with both the knives and the Lamnia! The Garberg is a good option and can be paired with a "cheap" Mora good for food preparation and other light camp chores.

I will also throw some attention to Lionsteel out of Italy. I don't have any of their bigger knives but, their M1, M3, M4, etc. have all been awesome knives for normal pocket, belt, or bag carry.

While I really like the Buck Knives I have and the Puma lockbacks, the clip-point blade style is a poor choice for your uses. I find a drop-point or spearpoint is much better for spreading butter on biscuits, grabbing peanut butter from the bottom of the jar, or slicing meats, cheese, etc. Thin cuts better than thick as well so, think thin for a food prep knife!

However, the knives I mentioned above are just some knives that seem to go into the direction of what I would like to have/need. Nevertheless, I am not hoping for detailed reviews on these knives as hundreds of them can be found on the internet, but rather for your advice, if my choices seem to be fine (and which one you would prefer) and also mostly for suggestions of any other knives that I currently do not have on my radar but which would maybe be an even better choice.

I own several ESSE knives and they are good knives but, to be blunt I think they are generally overbuilt for most people and how they use their knives. They would generally be much better served with a Hultafor axe from Lamnia (significantly cheaper than Gransfor-Bruk, Hults-Bruk, Helko, and Ochsenkopf). Modern Husqvarna axes today are not what they were prior to the brand being sold off. Old Husky's are really good though.

Being in Vienna, I would give Mueller Axes a serious look along with any of the other "local" brands from the Stubai (sp?) Valley! If I ever make it back to Austria, at least one of those axes will come back with my luggage!

Regarding the price point I was hoping to find a fixed blade for up to around 200 USD and a folder for up to around 100-120 USD which should serve me for a long time (provided I take good care of them).

With a nominal budget of ~$320USD, I would spend my money a little differently than you suggest. For the fixed blade, I scored a Mora Garberg off Amazon for less than $100 with a bit of patience and watching for a price drop for a "like new/very good" return. A small Hultafor axe is ~$60 and a local Stubai Valley option is likely even less. Pay attention to how thick or thin the "cheeks" are on your axe as you want it to 'bite' well into the wood but widen for reasonable splitting. Add a $10~$15 Mora for general food prep and light duty.

For a pocket knife and briefcase knife, when in Europe, I find a Victorinox Spartan with tweezers a low profile easy to carry pocket knife that won't cause me grief even if I stumble into a place in my travels where a slipjoint pocket knife isn't technically legal. For my Vienna briefcase/lunchbox, a Lionsteel M1 would be a bit spendy but, an awesome choice! For the cheap Opinel, I can highly recommend the "Garden" version as I find that handle option to fit my hand and how I use a knife better than the traditional handle. A Lambsfoot knife out of Sheffield England would also work well for a pocket carry and as a briefcase folding knife.

As knives are usually considerably more expensive in Europe than in the US, I would order my knives online and have them shipped to a friend in the US who I will visit this summer (before going on a 2.5 week camping trip through Idaho and Canada, where I would love to already use them).

I don't know about shipping costs inside Europe and VAT versus combining orders for reduced shipping to the USA but, that is something to consider. Finland in general seems to treat me well when I ship from Europe to the USA so I keep going back to Lamnia. With COVID transportation and supply chain challenges, things have changed some (in my case the minimum order for free shipping has increased significantly). Of course, Amazon negates shipping cost concerns and sales tax will generally be half of what VAT is.

Any of your comments, suggestions and advice are highly appreciated and I thank you very much in advance for your input!

Best regards from Austria,
Vincent

Hopefully, this is helpful, and worth the time to read it!

Best Regards,
Sid
 
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In Europe you have access to some incredible knives out of Poland 🇵🇱. There are many choices! LKW make excellent/ tough fixed blades for around the price you mentioned ( I believe ). The Crusher as mentioned by A Ad58 is a great fixed blade. You can get them with blades in a few different lengths as well.

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4.5 blade (11.43 cm) 02 steel, 62 HRC, Micarta scales, excellent grinds, .160 stock 👍.
 
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Rather than pay for Imports from the USA, look for customs from Europe/ Eastern Europe!! So many great custom makers to choose from. You can peruse the custom for sale forum here and find many!!! Prices for great customs can often undercut the price of the Falkniven. The Fallkniven brand has a good reputation and I like the grinds, but have always considered them overpriced, because I can get customs in their range.

I've used expensive knives like Busse that were more expensive than customs.

Realize that the Esse are 1095, and will require more care than stainless. Great warranty, but a bit blocky for some.

I've owned and used and Busse, Swamp Rat, Cold Steel, Himalayan Import Khukries and a double handful of customs (and a whole pile of other production knives).

Don't overlook the cheap production high value knives like Mora and Opinel!! I have several of both!!!

Also realize that Overbuilt big knives are just plain fun, but when doing knife chores, I prefer thinner stock.

One of my favorite users is a self made puko in .07 steel!!

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Tough to beat a Cold Steel SRK or MH for general camp use - just pick the steel you like. I’m probably in the minority, but after the former I really can cover most of the rest with a Swiss Army knife. An ax is nice to have too, depending on what you’re up for building.
 
... For a smaller fixed blade option in a stainless steel (if that is a concern) I would recommend the Ruike Jager...

The Ruike Jager is a great value. There are some nice ergonomic touches and it is more comfortable than it looks. The blade is sturdy and honestly, it's big enough for most things you'd want out of a knife.

I'm not a major bush-crafter but I've been camping at least a few times per year since sometime in the last century. I think "batoning" is overrated. A hatchet or axe is easier to bring with a group but I'll still often carry one when I go alone. The Jager or another knife that size will be my main knife. I'll often have a smaller folder or multi-tool too.

As jstn mentioned, 14C28N is one of the toughest stainless blade steels and is very stainless. It is easy to sharpen and holds a decent edge. The Jager is a great budget choice.

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Mij link got removed, but when you google on "LKW master crusher" you should find it without too many problems.
 
First, let me shout out a big thank you to all of you, I am overwhelmed by the great suggestions and comments you all made that are very helpful and widen my perspective! I hope I am able to respond to at least most of your comments below:
The Ruike Jager is a great value.
I also like that one, maybe too small for the occacional batoning?
ESEE 6 sounds like a winner, I also thought about the. Buck Compadre in 5160, and a Alox SA Pioneer X or Farmer X, or larger SA. And an Opinel just because they are light and slice well. I know you mentioned a little about restrictions, will carrying a knife that size be okay as long as you can justify it‘s use for camping?
Maybe, I was misunderstood: There are no restrictions regarding knife size in Austria (and, at least as far as I have researched it on the internet also not in Canada, where I am going to be this summer and hopefully bring my new knives). So size is not a problem. Prohibited in Austria are switchblade knives, automatic knives and balisongs, but I am not looking for any of those anyways ;)
I also thought about the. Buck Compadre in 5160,
Looks like a good knife, I like the style of it as well. However, the blade seems to be considerably shorter (almost 2 inches) so I was wondering how this knife would perform doing wood work/chopping?
Hopefully, this is helpful, and worth the time to read it!
Sid, Thank you very much for your very long post and also telling a little about your history, which makes an exchange with people (even virtually over the internet) a lot more personal what I highly appreciate. I will go through the options you mentioned and think about them. I will most likely not get an axe as in 95 % of cases where I go, an axe is provided (after all I am usually not camping out in the woods somewhere as this is pretty much prohibited anywhere in Austria). The other options you mentioned, especially Terävä options from Varusteleka (Jääkäripuukko 140) look appealing. However as they are in the same (cheaper) price range as Mora knives, I am a little unsure about the quality compared to knives 2-3 times the price. After all I would love my knife purchase now to be one that serves me well for many years to come and are happy to spend a little more money for that reason. Lionsteel looks interesting, I will have a closer look at them, as they offer many different options.
LKW make excellent/ tough fixed blades for around the price you mentioned ( I believe ). The Crusher as mentioned by A Ad58 is a great fixed blade.
I will definitely have a closer look at them, thank you!
I would suggest a Boker Arbolito Bushcraft for a fixed blade but it’s closer to 4in than 5 and about $135-170. For a folder, I would recommend the TOPS m.s.f. 4 it’s 3.25in and $100-150 or so
Somehow not a big fan of the Böker, can't really say why though. The TOPS seems to be an interesting option, thank you!
For an outdoor fixed/folder combo for $200/$100 (US), you really can't beat a Buck 119 and Buck 110 (in their basic/standard configurations).
I am sure, those are great knives, but their style is a little bit too classic for me, but thank you!

Another that I haven't yet tried, but hear really good things about and am going to get at some point would be the Terävä Skrama 200.
Thank you, but I am not a big fan of the blade shape you mentioned, maybe another blade shape from them is worth considering.

Mora Garberg. Decent price but sturdy.
I have heard great things about Mora Knives as being knives where you pretty much get the best bang for your buck. However, for me, Mora just has this "cheap" reputation and I also don't like the "cheap" looks of them, even though I am sure, they are great tools. I'd rather spend a little more money to get a knife where I also really like the looks :)

Thanks again to all of you! I hope I will have some time over the weekend to look closer at all these great suggestions you have made and making up my mind! As for a fixed blade I have plenty of work to do. There were not so many suggestions for folders but also some I will consider throwing them in with the Spyderco Paramilitary 2 and the Benchmade Griptillian/Bugout and think about it.
 
Hey buddy, welcome. I have a big recommendation for your on the folder. I recommend the Hogue RSK MK-G2. One of my biggest folder carrys for the past quite a few years is a Benchmade mini Ritter Griptilian that I put custom scales on. The Hogue is the new version of that knife and very often thought to be a step up in overall quality over the original Bechmade. Check it out, I think it's about perfect for pairing with a nice large/mid sized fixed blade like you're talking about.
 
Always nice to see fellow EU citizens here :)

The Esee 6 is a solid choice but a bit expensive to get on this side of the pond. Never regretted getting ming, it brought me loads of fun :D
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If you want beautiful and quality knives made a bit close to home you might want to check out the Lionsteel lineup. Beautiful fixed and folding blades from Italy.

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Goodluck making your choice and have loads of fun with your new knife.
 
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The Esee 6 is a solid choice but a bit expensive to get on this side of the pond.
I know, that's why I am fortunate to have the chance to buy from an US-website, have them ship it to a friend in the US and pick it up, when I visit my friend this summer :) So I will definitely compare prices between buying in Europe and from a website in the US.
 
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