PURE American Made Knives

bobofish said:
There's PLENTY of US, Canadian, European, etc. stuff that is very competitive in price/quality.
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I am with you... I lived 18 years in Canada and I have seen quality there too. US quality is exceptional. I feel 100% safe bying US products, from knives down to Q-tips. I feel the same about "Made in UK" products, and it's not just my perception, but reality.

Best wishes,

Edalb
 
Boats said:
The only thing I am missing out on is holding a commie knife to American manufacturing's throat and plunging it on in to save some scratch.:thumbdn:
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"Smokey, this isn't Vietnam! There are rules here!"
- Walter Sobchak (The Big Lebowski)
 
Gollnick said:
Benchmade actually owns a machine that makes screws from rod stock. I think Spyderco does too. I'm sure others do also.

Benchmade actually makes some -- not all, but some -- of the exotic screws used in their knives. But, it's not cost-effective to make standard sizes and styles even if you own the machine.
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Thanks for the update. I'm glad to learn that at least we are not dealing with a lost art here.


GIRLYmann said:
What should matter is not where a product is made, but that the business be US owned.
I say again, whilst US made products maybe important to some, what's entirely more important is that the company which owns the business rights and product patents should be entirely with a US registered company.
So that it doesn't matter if a product is manufactured off-shore, out-sourced in distant lands or procured in a made to-specs fashion; because such a company understands what is expected from a US market.
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Depends on if you are management or labor, I suppose. It may benefit stockholders to outsource where wages are low, but not so good for laid off Americans. In the end, however, any business needs customers with money to spend. In the early 20th century, some industrialists, like Henry Ford, understood that workers need wages high enough to buy their products. How has this bit of economic reality been overlooked by our present day corporate leadership?

While I'm not an absolutist and do own a Delica :) :o and several Victorinox products, whenever possible, I purchase made in America by American labor. I care more whose hands actually make the stuff, and consider US owned companies with offshore labor as essentially foreign. A Gerber made in China doesn't qualify as a US product, as far as I am concerned. Most of my knives are American, well made, cost effective, and I feel well served by them all.

Sometimes I feel like an ant standing in the way of big foot globalization, but I enjoy the delusion of defying the process. Also, I am comforted to know there are many others who share my view. Maybe something politically useful will come from that. :)
 
Here's one;

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Custom drop point made by Bryan Baker of Boise. Here's another;

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Custom J.Moren drop point out of Tucson. I prefer to support small custom operations. You tend to get a lot of knife for the buck! Your milage may vary...
 
Sound's like there's a majority vote on the need for an Obama inspired "yes we can" type of knife.
Just thinkin' that a couple of months ago, the public support for products made by a major domestic US cutlery establishment like Camillus/Western wasn't there before the great fall. Not that Camillus was in the habit of producing very high end top notch quality products, but it's products were way too vintage Americana; probably goin' all the way back to the times of Theodore Roosevelt! It was classically a victim of it's own success, resting on it past laurels and not noticing that youthful foreign competition which had a thing or two up its sleeves and thus forever changing the market demand for things new.
Rest assured that "change" brings new life as we learn to make do with the evolving situation; as how prevailing economic conditions would dictate them. Buyin' American made is probably goin' to be for the ultra rich... and a rare treat for lesser patriots.
If you want a quality product it is therefore important that we need to support US based companies which produces products of its own development. But the catch phrase is "price competitiveness" - which spells off-shore outsourcing for the longest time to come, yet. In the mean time, keep buyin' whist they're made states side.
 
I never said I liked ,or even ageed with, outsourcing. I'm just saying that it is a reality that many cannot seem to grasp and/or come to grips with. It is here to stay. Bobofish, I agree with you that there is good and bad, no matter where it is made. As far as greed goes, I think it is pretty harsh to accuse any company greedy, simply because they outsource. All of what any company does is driven by CONSUMER demand, if there is no market for a $30 folder they wouldn't offer it. It is good business sense, and will make that company more successful and wealthy (which is the American dream) I understand what everyone is saying, when they talk about supporting companies close to home, I just find it a little lame to blame the manufacturers. As far U.S. products being superior, it GREATLY depends on the product. (If I want to buy the best built car, it will most likely be German, if I want the best electronics they will probably be Asian)
 
Well, you could get a Hinderer XM-18. The screws, pivots and standoffs are made by him and the CV-20 blade steel is made by Latrobe here in america. I dont know about the titanium or g-10 though.

For all those talking about "they only use over seas steel" Try anything with CPM in front of it. Timken, Latrobe and Crucible are all american steel companies.
 
So if someone has blades made in, say China and then ships them to the US and finishes the knives there, aren't the knives naturalized also?

They started off somewhere else and they ended up in the US. Just like Chris Reeve.
 
Originally Posted by Gollnick
Benchmade actually owns a machine that makes screws from rod stock. I think Spyderco does too. I'm sure others do also.
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I guess it still almost impossible to make sure the iron comes from American soil...
From Wikipedia: The world's largest producer of iron ore is the Brazilian mining corporation CVRD, followed by Australian company BHP Billiton and the Anglo-Australian Rio Tinto Group.
 
I tend to agree with Boats and Bobofish. Every dollar we spend on Chineese goods may someday come back to us...in the form of a ballistic missile. I support US and Canadian made goods because the US is Canada's largest trading partner. To do otherwise, is just taking away jobs from N.America and feeding a potentially hostile country, IMO.
 
Not to mention leads to unemployment in the US. If we had a more robust growing economy then outsourcing jobs wouldn't be a problem; with a little retraining (corporate or government sponsored) people could get new, equally or higher paying jobs. Unfortunately of the "millions" of jobs "created" in the last decade, most have been part time and Mc-job caliber.

Blade21, I hope you're being sarcastic.:jerkit: The US is an immigration based country using the "law of the Earth" instead of "law of the Sun." Countries like Germany use the law of the sun; wherever the Sun shines on a German, he is German. In "law of the Earth" countries, when you are born on that Earth, you are a citizen like any other. If a baby is born on any US soil, like the 50 states, Guam, Puerto Rico, etc. or US Embassies, that baby is as American as George Washington. Likewise if you are naturalized a US citizen, you are 99.9999% American. The only thing you are not is able to be US president. Madeleine Albright, the former Sec/State was not officially in the Presidential succession because she was born in Yugoslavia. Likewise Scwharzenegger is able to be a citizen, a Governor, etc. But can not become President.
 
I will put the emphasis on "WE".

It is important that "we" realize that it is the market that drives the makers.....in anyh industry!

I will agree that greed does play a part in some of it, but there is also a constant and strong demand by ELU's for lower and lower prices. Using countries with low dollar value and reasonable skills has always been done to meet those demands.

American manufacturing is very important and it must continue at force 5. We must continue our technology and skill development.

It always takes a while for countries with lower value money to develop and their money value increases. (eg: Japan) Some countries are more fair than others, but they are business storms that must be survived.

We must not "unlearn" how to manufacture. (In two generations, the women of Afganistan went from being medical doctors to being illiterate).

sal

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Trade is better than war
 
Blade21 said:
So if someone has blades made in, say China and then ships them to the US and finishes the knives there, aren't the knives naturalized also?

They started off somewhere else and they ended up in the US. Just like Chris Reeve.
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Chris Reeve actually has some value, unlike a Chicommie special.

Besides, you know full well that importation laws don't work like legal immigration.

Th former, in terms of knives, leads to some American owned Chinese garbage, the latter has yielded at least one world class knife manufacturer currently making his wares in Boise, Idaho.
 
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