"put it out of its misery" gun....

The Super Colibri rounds sound like a cap gun when fired from my NAA Mini-Master and that's only a four inch barrel. Some people complain about their killing power and accuracy but I've had no problem taking squirrel and Dove with them.

Aguila's come up with some pretty cool ammo...their .22 LR Super Maximum clocks something like 1750 out of a rifle. Pretty zippy for LR ammo. One reviewer chrony'd them at 1839 FPS out of a Marlin Model 60.
 
Like a cap gun, huh? SOme of the online reviews say they still pretty loud out of revolvers. I think I'll buy some and give them a whirl.
As for my wife...she doesn't ask about guns much. And by much, I mean at all. SHe knows they are there, but does not know the combo, and doesn't want to know.

I'm heading down to the shop in a little while, and while picking up the Snakecharmer, I'll ask about the powderless .22. I have been wanting a .22 revolver for a while, so perhaps that's the way to go. Probably with a 2.5 or 3 inch barell, we'll see what they have in stock.
 
task force k said:
Some people complain about their killing power

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I am one of those people, I shot a squirrel one time and still had to chase it down and stomp it's head, seen them bounce off of 2x4s , and would not shoot anything bigger than a cockroach with one.

Something I meant to say in my last post, discharging a firearm in city limits where you know it is illegal is a very, very bad idea whether you do it covertly or not. If a neighbor sees you I will pretty much guaruntee a free ride in the back of a patrol car. Chris
 
runningboar said:
The powderless 22s are called Colibris and Super Colibris and are made by a mexican company named Aguila, and are next to worthless, very inacurate and less powerful than a C02 pellet pistol.
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I 100% disagree with this based on my personal experience. I am not saying that runningboar is wrong for his guns or uses, rather that I have found them to be quite useful. I have killed many squirrels and assorted rats/mice. They fly like a thrown rock, and are less powerful than a lot of pellet runs, but when fired out of a 20+ inch barrel they are almost completely silent. Once you learn how fast they drop they are capable of good accuracy. They are at there best at 15-20 feet. CB longs from CCI offer more power with roughly normal pellet gun noise.

runningboar said:
Which BTW would be an excellant choice, a crosman 2240, 1322 or 1377 as well as some more expensive air pistols would be perfect as well as some inexpensive plinking and target practice.

If it was me I would buy something I wanted and use an axe handle for a coup de grace device. Chris
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This I agree with 100%. I have owned and shot 1377s and 1322s for 25+ years. Personally, I would buy a .38 Airweight ("Honey, it is so light that I can always have it with me to help the poor critters") and load it with 148 wadcutters or some Black Hills .38 short Colt ammo. My great grandmother, grandmother and mother were all masters of 'Sharpened Garden Hoe- Fu' and killed snakes and all matter of things by chopping heads off with a quick swing. My grandfather and uncles would just stomp things using their work boots.
 
runningboar,

That wasn't meant as a slam. I was writing as you were posting. You and I seem to have a running disagreement over Colibris. I'm glad to say we seem to see eye-to-eye on pretty much everything else. We seem to share some common interests as I see you around the forum all the time.
 
From what i understand barrell length makes a huge difference in these powderless rounds. We had a guy come in and complain about them. Turns out he was shooting them out of a rifle which we were told by the company they were not suitable for. He tried them in a short revolver and was happy. I honestly don't remember what brand they were. This was 5 yrs ago.
 
smokelaw1 said:
Like a cap gun, huh? SOme of the online reviews say they still pretty loud out of revolvers. I think I'll buy some and give them a whirl.
As for my wife...she doesn't ask about guns much. And by much, I mean at all. SHe knows they are there, but does not know the combo, and doesn't want to know.

I'm heading down to the shop in a little while, and while picking up the Snakecharmer, I'll ask about the powderless .22. I have been wanting a .22 revolver for a while, so perhaps that's the way to go. Probably with a 2.5 or 3 inch barell, we'll see what they have in stock.
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Out of a short revolver, they're definitely NOT silent but I've had no problems firing them indoors with no hearing protection. I suspect that the cap guns I had as a kid were louder than the cap guns of today and noise is one of those subjective things...your results may vary. I just offer that caveat in case somebody's out there lining up their cap gun and their Colibri-loaded revolver next to a decibel meter.

Natchez Shooter's Supply had a limited run made up of the original Colibri. I don't know if they still have any left.
 
I've found Super Colibris a bit too loud from a revolver to be really discreet. From a long gun, they're much quieter than my Benjamin .22 airgun. However, in a longer, tighter barrel, there is a risk of the bullets getting jammed. IIRC, the Colibri line is advertised as being for handguns only, because of that risk.

Colibris are more powerful than many common airguns, throwing a 20gr bullet at around 500fps, IIRC. To get that kind of fpe from a airgun, you have to spend some coin.

CCI CBs from a long gun pack a bigger punch than Colibris and are only a tiny bit louder. Still quieter than my airgun. Definitely too loud out of a revolver to be considered discreet.
 
Guns I have shot colibris in include a cz 452, very inacurate and had one stick in the barrel hence the pistol only, a ruger single six also very inacurate, and a ruger 10/22, had to manually cycle each round. The 10/22 was the most accurate of the 3 but no where close enough for hunting anything. I don't own a chronogragh but I have been shooting air rifles and air pistols for a LOOONNNG time and if these colibris made 500 FPS out of any of these guns I would be very surprised.

I really don't see needing a firearm to dispatch crippled squirrels and rabbits, I have used boots and sticks for the better part of 30 years, a good stout oak cudgel does wonders, cripple or not. As I said before, I really don't think it is too smart to be shooting any powder burning firearm inside city limits. Chris
 
for game this small i use a good sharp shovel.

this is what i used in town and it beheads them quickly.

and nobody can hear the shovel go off.

by the way all this game came from the neighbors cats.
 
if its' mostly rabbits and squirrels for about a 100 bucks ( the price of the snake charmer you can get a decent high powered pelletgun) they are quiet some can hace velocities that come close to a .22 and at close range it ios a sure thing, as a youngester I hunted small game (squirrels and rabbits) almost exclusively with such a gun...never took more than a single shot (and that's not because a I'm agood shot) just accurate powerfull litttle gun that should definitely meet your purposes plus they are a blast to shoot and a great way to practice (on the edge of suburbia) if you don't have time to got to the range.
 
I don't know about where you live...but in my area anything with a silencer on it would be big trouble (legally)
 
it would be fully legal here, I'd just have to pay for the class 3 transfer tax stamp. not that I'll ever really drop 1k+ on a .22 short of winning the lottery!

edit: there's a map showing where ownership is legal on the site I linked to above. under 'ownership information'
 
How about a decent airgun? They're used for hunting squirrels, rats, rabbits etc succesfully up to 40yds (30 is recommended really). Reasonably quiet and seems to cover the needs, and not too expensive either (at least not over here).
 
I did a quick and dirty test of CCI cb caps, the Remingtons and the Aguila's a while back.

They all had what seemed to be the same 'striking power', in that they kicked up about the same amount of dirt in the field I was shooting in. I'd say all of them would 'put them out of their misery'.

But what you shoot them in is important if you want quiet.

In a pistol, Ruger MKII and a SW revolver, they were all almost as loud as a regular .22. The B-C gap made the revolver a bit louder.

Ruger 10/22's were very quiet. The action cycling was as loud as the round itself. The combination was a bit louder than I expected and wanted.

But the long barrel of my Marlin 39A was the quietest by far!! My pellet rifles sound about the same!! From a few feet away from the house, you couldn't hear them at all. Inside the house, you'd never know someone was shooting. So if you want to dispose of a pest in a sub-urban area or even urban (just watch ricochets) use the cb caps, shorts or other sub-sonic rounds and shoot them out of a closed breach rifle.
 
What about muzzling the dog, so you don't have to worry about mangling animals for no good reason, and buying a nice 22. Cal so you can hunt them legally?
 
I just killed a big opossom in my backyard with a S&W .22 K frame 6inch bbl. & one round of .22 short hollow point(CCI) it twitched a few times & that was it! not very loud & it got the job done. I have killed alot of small game with CCI CB caps & they are not loud at all !
 
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