Queen Cutlery 'Dawn of a New Era' knife...

Dan, if you like Buck's 420HC steel, then I predict you'll have no problem with Queen's.

(I can't remember what the "PH" stands for, but many Queen knives are stamped "PH-D2" to indicate something about the heat treating process. I seem to recall its having to do with someone well-known in that respect, and his process being used to temper the D2 steel. I would think that they also apply a tried-and-true HT schedule to their stainless.)

PH=Peters Heat Treat, located in Meadville, PA. About 30 miles or so from Titusville. Also used by the other Titusville cutlery company, Great Eastern Cutlery. As far as I recall, Heat Treat is the only process GEC out sources.
 
Dan, if you like Buck's 420HC steel, then I predict you'll have no problem with Queen's.

(I can't remember what the "PH" stands for, but many Queen knives are stamped "PH-D2" to indicate something about the heat treating process. I seem to recall its having to do with someone well-known in that respect, and his process being used to temper the D2 steel. I would think that they also apply a tried-and-true HT schedule to their stainless.)

The PH stands for Peters Heat Treating. Peters has been doing all of Queens heat treating for years, They do an excellence job on all the different steels that Queen uses. I have found their 420HC to hold up quite well for 420 :D just like Bucks.

Dave


Day late & $ short again!! ;)
 
Why is 420 being compared to 420HC? Does anybody know for sure which version of 420 Queen is using?
 
Why is 420 being compared to 420HC? Does anybody know for sure which version of 420 Queen is using?

Yes. We absolutely do.

No American company uses any version of 420 blade steel in their domestically-produced knives except 420HC.

That being said, there is no AISI composition for 420HC. So the exact composition is somewhat dependent on which steel company made it. But it is not 420 and it is not 420J2
 
Thanks knarfeng, that's great to know! While I prefer D2, I have lots of experience with Buck's 420HC and like it a lot.
 
Y'know what, it isn't 420J2 :), I'll give that scout knife a try. I like Ryan and his wife, they are good people, and I wish them and his father well with Queen. I want to see nothing but success for them. In my opinion, Queen knives are usually the most attractive traditional knives I have seen currently, I hope that they can match in the user department. Jimmy, seeing this review of your knife, I AM going to get a scout knife at the show, if Ryan has any, and do a review on it. I am a closet scout knife addict, and have been eyeing their model since it was announced. I would still prefer a higher grade steel, but I'm not going to let that keep me from what looks like a good knife.
 
Y'know what, it isn't 420J2 :), I'll give that scout knife a try. I like Ryan and his wife, they are good people, and I wish them and his father well with Queen. I want to see nothing but success for them. In my opinion, Queen knives are usually the most attractive traditional knives I have seen currently, I hope that they can match in the user department. Jimmy, seeing this review of your knife, I AM going to get a scout knife at the show, if Ryan has any, and do a review on it. I am a closet scout knife addict, and have been eyeing their model since it was announced. I would still prefer a higher grade steel, but I'm not going to let that keep me from what looks like a good knife.

I will be looking forward to your review... I am hoping it will be a good knife, and that is because I am hoping you are pleased with your knife (us boys need our toys)... and because I too would like to see Queen do well :) Good luck to you both, my friend :)
 
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Being that my Queen 'Dawn of a New Era' knife has Mother of Pearl handle scales w/Abalone inlays, I wanted to learn more about these materials as knife handles. The following was copied from a company well known for their supplying exotic handle materials. I am sharing it here because it makes for an interesting read. And, I realized that my misconceptions about MOP were many. Anyhow, hope you guys find it interesting too :)

Working with Mother of Pearl Pearl is just like any other material in that it has advantages and disadvantages. Mother of Pearl will not shrink, expand, bend, or move. Most knife makers are skeptical about initially working with Mother of Pearl. This is usually because they have heard horror stories about pieces shattering or chipping right before the knife is complete. The truth is, Mother of Pearl is actually as easy to work with as bone, stag, or ivory. You can use the same tooling to cut, grind, shape, sand, and polish it. It does take a little more care, but once a Mother of Pearl handle is in place, that's where it will stay. You may have had the experience of taking an ivory handle knife across the country, through changes in humidity and climate only to find that the handle has come back to life and practically crawled off of the knife. You will NEVER have to worry about this problem with Mother of Pearl. When grinding or shaping Mother of Pearl, do not allow the piece to become excessively hot as this can cause a burn mark that is deep and hard to remove. I recommend working with water. If you do not or cannot have some sort of water stream or spray while you are working, I recommend that you have a small container of water to dip your pearl into every time it becomes semi-hot to the touch. Any saw will generally cut Mother of Pearl. These include bandsaws, jeweler's saws, hacksaws, Dremel tools, table saws, etc... The key is to have good, sharp, clean teeth on whatever your choice of tools, and always KEEP IT COOL. When drilling Mother of Pearl always make sure to: 1. Keep the bit cool with a few drops of mineral spirits. 2. Make sure that your bit is sharp and in good condition. I know a few makers who, after drilling for all their pins, actually throw away the bit to make sure that the next time they use a new one. While this can be expensive, these makers know that drilling won't be the cause of a chipped pair of $100.00 scales. 3. Drill your holes slightly larger than your actual pins. When you tap the pin in it expands and fills the hole. Remember that Mother of Pearl is 100% stable and if the pin is set too tight, something will have to give. 4. When setting pins use a little superglue in the hole. This helps seal the area from polishing compound and from absorbing the oil and grime that comes from being handled and carried. When grinding Mother of Pearl, I recommend that all shops have a dust vacuum system. A simple system can be made from a 1/3 hp. Dayton blower, using the suction side of the blower and sewer PVC pipe for your connections. This, coupled with working under water, should greatly reduce the amount of dust in the room and that could potentially enter your lungs. At the very least, grind with a fan nearby to blow the dust away from your face.
 
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My routine of occasionally picking out random specimens from my collection for general maintenance, had me handling this knife yesterday.
I was reminiscing what my reason was for buying it, it having the handle scales that caught my fancy, and for the blade marking significance, (what was supposed to have been a new and hopefully prosperous beginning for the old and well known USA knife firm).

Of course something that can only now be realized, is that this "Dawn of a New Era" actually was the beginning of the final end for the company.
How I wish this knife would have truly been the beginning of a wonderful future for them.
Although Queen is now gone, and this knife's markings now represents the opposite of what it was meant to be, (it being the beginning of the end, rather than the beginning of a new positive start), it's still a very attractive knife. It may even be more unique, imo, for the irony of it's engraved message.

 
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