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I have heard from some sources I trust that the fit and finish of Emerson knives is piss poor and that their 154CM steel is worse than Cold Steel AUS8 (in terms of edge retention).

Is there any truth to this?

I don't mean to come here and bash Emerson knives.

The reason I want to know is because the knives look so cool but I have not heard great things about them.

Feel free to post pictures of your favorite Emersons too, I'm not sure which one I want.
 
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Shit picture but you get the idea. Emerson offers far more bang for your buck. I've"collected" anything from CRK to Strider. See what I have now? Funny thing about rumors and second hand info.....it's just that. Spend $100 on the second hand market and see for yourself. In an Emerson sub forum though you probably won't get much of an objective point of view. We tend to love them here.
 
Only knock i could really give EKI is there locks develop lock rock sooner then any brand at there pricepoint, and there liners are roughly finished. This of course is my experience and YMMV. (They do have a kick ass warranty)

I haven't ever heard a complaint with the steel (outside of safe queen curators and chart analyst), grind, fit, function and plus Emersons handles are second to none in comfort.
 
I have heard from some sources I trust that the fit and finish of Emerson knives is piss poor and that their 154CM steel is worse than Cold Steel AUS8 (in terms of edge retention).

Is there any truth to this?

I don't mean to come here and bash Emerson knives.

The reason I want to know is because the knives look so cool but I have not heard great things about them.

Feel free to post pictures of your favorite Emersons too, I'm not sure which one I want.



Bet you hear this BU*****T from Internet Keyboard Commandos, and Trolls who have a hatred for all thing Emerson.

Read what I wrote, what I linked, and no one paid me a RED CENT to write it.
 
Most of what you've heard is BS. Obviously I'm biased but if you heard it on the internet then it's probably not true. Obviously this IS the internet but here it is from the horses mouth. If you want Chinese made knives with Chinese materials, Cold Steel is your knife of choice. If you want a knife made from USA materials down to the screws then buy an Emerson. Steel being "crap" is mind boggling to me. 154CM is a tried and true tool steel. Our knives are between 57-59 Rockwell. Not too hard to be brittle and snap and soft enough to get a quick edge. That's what they were made for, in the field robustness. The whole "fit and finish" subject has been beat to death. If you care about mm's on liners and handles then maybe our knives are not for you. Every single knife made in our factory is touched by a human. Hand made to our specifications. As Ernest has said many times "we don't win contests on our fit and finish and we wouldn't even enter because we'd know we'd lose." Our knives are meant to cut, and cut damn well. They can be beat to sh*t and after that you can still but a hair splitting edge on it. They're chisel edged to be sharpened in the field in a moments notice. Your questions will be answered in this thread and I invite you to try one of our knives for yourself.

I've never followed the advice on someone elses opinion. If I were you I'd find someone who owns one and try it out for a week or buy one from us or a dealer. We have a lifetime warranty and you can contact us at any time. ANY time. I'm here on the forum 24-7 (I usually get back to you fairly quickly) and you can call us or email us at info@emersonknives.com

Thanks,
ER
 
Production Emersons are not pretty, but they are wicked looking, tough and fit for their intent. Some of Mr. Emerson's customs are pretty, but have pretty price tags as well. Not saying they are not worth it, just not for me, as the production models I have owned work just fine for me. I second EmersonRep - see if you can get your hands on one and decide for yourself. I do research a knife before I buy it, and I do take both the good and bad with a grain of salt. It seems that people either love or hate Emersons, but I do wonder sometimes whether some of these folks have ever handled one. My CQC-7V meets my expectations in every way. It is hard sometimes to put your hands on one locally, but worth the effort. One piece of advice - get a lot of info and pix if you are buying one on the secondary market, as most Emerson owners know why they bought one, and have used it accordingly - hard field use! Good luck.
 
Fit and finish is piss poor and crap edge retention? My Emersons are just fine and they sharpen up quick and hold a great edge. I'm not a fan of 154CM (hell I was a steel snob, still am to an extent) but I love Emersons 154CM. The fit is tight as it gets, finish could be argued as being bad with millimeters of difference between the size of the cases scales and liners.

I'll ask you this much, how many of those people with the super steels and fancy handle materials are carrying and using those knives? Not many, if at all. Now look at all the Emersons posted here. Us Emerson guys use our knives, and hard and the knives show it. But the knives are meant for use. And in my opinion they look so much better with wear on them (I personally love cncpros commander with the wear marks on the coating!). People can trash Emerson as much as they want, but Emerson is extremely successful and doing something right with "lackluster materials". Can't say that about other makers using "cutting edge" materials (pun not intended but screw it.

Oh and when you support Emerson you are supporting an American company through and through. I'm also more than certain Emerson pays his employees well, so I'm quite content supporting EKI.
 
They are great, buy with confidence... Emersons are the only modern folders I care to carry..

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Seems like all the top brands have a small but vocal group of haters. The only way to tell if a knife is right for you is to buy one.
 
I have heard from some sources I trust that the fit and finish of Emerson knives is piss poor and that their 154CM steel is worse than Cold Steel AUS8 (in terms of edge retention).

Is there any truth to this?

I don't mean to come here and bash Emerson knives.

The reason I want to know is because the knives look so cool but I have not heard great things about them.

Feel free to post pictures of your favorite Emersons too, I'm not sure which one I want.

I'm pretty new to Emersons, so I can't speak to the quality of their steel or edge retention, but 154CM is a reputable alloy and I have a hard time believing that a company with Emerson's reputation is doing shitty heat treats. Also, to be fair, I've found Cold Steel's AUS8 to be pretty damn good in terms of edge retention, so this comparison isn't as insulting as someone may have intended.

The fit and finish on the two Emerson's I've gotten has been rough. Before the faithful jump down my throat, let me explain my thoughts more fully. In my mind there are two areas of Fit and Finish, one being the effects of the knife being manufactured according to design and within specifications, and the other being effects of the knife being out of spec and somehow passing through quality controls.

In regards to the first type of F&F, I believe that Emerson has made decisions for various reasons (design philosophy, intended use philosophy, cost, etc.) to have looser tolerances on various dimensions and specifications that don't affect the function or performance of the knife. I've seen evidence of this on my full size and Mini A-100. The finish of the liners, both on their edges and on their flat areas is rough. The G10 scales have slight, but noticeable, overhangs over the liners in some spots. The jimping, both on the handles and blades, also appears unfinished, as if they were just rough cut and left that way. Do these "unfinished" features surprise me? A little. The cheapo Chinese Enlan knife I have has crisply machined jimping with a satin finish, the liners are almost mirror polished on all surfaces, and the G10 scales align perfectly with the liners. That's not to mention the excellent F&F on all the Spyderco's I've owned as well as, of course, my CRK's. So, yes, I did have a bit of culture shock when first inspecting my Emersons. But as I said at the beginning of this paragraph, none of these "flaws" have any effect on the function or performance of the knife. As rough as the liners are, they are all properly deburred, there are no sharp edges that hurt your hands. The same is true of the jimping. The G10 scale misfit is totally unnoticeable unless you are out to prove it's there. More importantly, the things that do affect the knife's performance are all very well executed. The blade bevels and grinds are some of the nicest I've seen. The blades are centered, the detents are positioned very well and are tensioned nicely, the lock-up is fully engaged but early, and there is zero rock or play in the blade in any direction. The hardened steel hardware is excellent (and refreshingly old school), all holes are drilled straight and tapped nicely. As others have said, Emerson's focus in the design and manufacture of these knives is function and performance, not making things pretty. I believe it.

As for the second type of F&F, essentially unintentional flaws that make it through quality controls, I can't give any meaningful opinion on how good Emerson is with those because I don't have the data. I will say that from my small sampling of two knives, one came in a condition that was clearly (I hope) not with design specifications. My full size A-100 appeared to have had a loctite spill during assembly. The pivot screw came out easily enough, but the non-lock-side scale was essentially glued to the steel liner, and the washer on that side was covered in cured loctite, as well as the blade tang and pivot itself. The lock-side washer, liner, and scale seemed to have been spared. This was all fairly easy to remedy, and again, I don't think I can say that my experience points to anything systemic on Emerson's part. After all, I haven't heard any other stories of this type of defect. Maybe I just got lucky.

Overall, my impression of Emerson knives is that they do things a little differently and have different priorities than a lot of the other big knife companies. A lot of people who are used to a certain level of refinement and F&F to their knives are going to be turned off by Emerson's philosophy. But, I think just as many people will be drawn in by the functional designs and no-nonsense attitude of these knives.
 
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Shit picture but you get the idea. Emerson offers far more bang for your buck. I've"collected" anything from CRK to Strider. See what I have now? Funny thing about rumors and second hand info.....it's just that. Spend $100 on the second hand market and see for yourself. In an Emerson sub forum though you probably won't get much of an objective point of view. We tend to love them here.

I'm super jealous of your El Bandito. I can't believe I missed out on those the first time around.

To the OP; Function before fashion. Emerson knives are awesome. American made with top quality components to a level of finish fitting for a tool to be used. Not to mention some of the best ergos in the industry mated to mission specific designs.
 
Just FYI, our fit and finish is only getting better. We listen to our customers and their opinions don't fall on deaf ears.

Btw, carry my El Bandito everyday. ;) There is another run of them coming soon.
 
Just FYI, our fit and finish is only getting better. We listen to our customers and their opinions don't fall on deaf ears.

Btw, carry my El Bandito everyday. ;) There is another run of them coming soon.

Music to my ears! :thumbup:
 
OP, give 'em a try. If not happy, sell it on the exchange - Emerson's go quickly there.

The ergo's of Ernie's designs is where it's at. The Man knows how to design a working knife. For me, there is a "soul" that other, more "sterile perfect" brands lack. I have others too (Spyderco, Benchmade, Chris Reeve, Brous Blades among others) and none speak to me like an Emerson. You won't know if that's your taste unless you try.
 
Just FYI, our fit and finish is only getting better. We listen to our customers and their opinions don't fall on deaf ears.

Btw, carry my El Bandito everyday. ;) There is another run of them coming soon.

I can attest to this. My last specwar and cqc-8 with standoffs were quite a bit better in terms of the finish
 
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