Question about a damascus pattern

DEllis

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I have been trying, with my teeny little brain, to figure out how "transitions" pattern Damascus is made. In my head I am seeing fishtail splices and then laddering over the weld zones to blend it in, but I'm sure I am missing something:confused:. Does anyone here know how it is done? I know J.R.Cook makes it, and maybe a couple other smiths, but can't find any other info. Maybe it's a trade secret? It sure does look cool seamlessly blending 2 different patterns like that.
Darcy:)
 
Awesome, I didn't realize that.......thanks much.........that store is gonna cost me a lot of money I can tell!
One question before I buy the DVD. I use hand hammers to forge my Damascus. Do you know if a power hammer or press is required for the technique? I'd hate to buy the DVD and find out I can't use the knowledge without heavy equipment.
Darcy:)
 
I contacted JR. and he told me you can do smaller pieces by hand but it is going to be a lot of work. the video will show you how to position and restack you billet for forging. I would recommend that you get a couple of husky boys to be strykers.
 
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Damascus in general is difficult by hand. I found the best bet is keep the billets small, because your not going to draw out a 2" thick billet no matter how hard you try. The thing I found that helped the most was making a spring fuller. That will speed things up significantly, and make it possible to do a knife sized billet. Still a lot of hard work though.
 
It probably can be done though, Rob Hudson and Steve Filicietti are examples of guys who forged crazy damascus with no power hammer.
 
Bill will answer better about this particular pattern, but most all more elaborate patterns require a press at a minimum. A power hammer is a good addition, too. Doing flips and stacks by hand is "possible", I guess, ....but unlikely to have a good success rate. It would kill my arm even to try.

For hand hammered damascus, stay with patterns that are layered and manipulated. There are many ways to get unique patterns that are similar to mosaic damascus and other patterns. I'll give a few ideas to get you thinking.
1) Get a set of 3/8" or 1/2" letter stamps. Once the billet is layered to the desired layer count ( 200-500 is good), grind it clean on the surfaces. Stamp the hot billet with the letters "D.ELLIS", e.g., to the same depth you would do a birds eye or ladder pattern divot. Do this in a row down the center, all over at crazy angles, or just at the ricasso ( your choice). Do it from both sides. Grind down the billet to the depth of the stamps and when you etch, the letters will show as disturbances in the pattern ( like a bird's eye pattern does). If done only at the ricasso or once at the upper sine near the ricasso, it creates a damascus makers mark in the blade pattern.... a really cool effect.

2) Similar to above, but simpler, is to make a stamp of a fairly simple shape out of round or square steel rod - a cross, a diamond, an asterisk, a question mark, a butterfly, etc. Use it as above to make "butterfly damascus", mystery steel damascus (?), etc.

3) Do a standard technique in a non-standard way. Do a ladder pattern at a diagonal, or in a "X" pattern.

4) Make your billet of random damascus up in the size needed to make a desired knife. Leave it a tad thicker than your final need. Drill a series of holes down what will be the upper bevel area or down the center line ( you decide where it will look best). Make the holes descending in size starting with the largest at the ricasso area and going about 3/4 of the way toward the tip area. Say, six holes 1/2, 7/16, 3/8, 5/16, 1/4, 3/16. Using a steel compatible with the damascus mix, grind or turn plugs for the holes and forge weld the plugs in. When ground and shaped into the blade you will have smooth round circles descending down the damascus blade.
 
I contacted JR. and he told me you can do smaller pieces by hand but it is going to be a lot of work. the video will show you how to position and restack you billet for forging. I would recommend that you get a couple of husky boys to be strykers.
Many thanks to you for the help. I will get the DVD, I'm not scared of hard work.
Here's a few I did by hand........I used a sledge hammer and a helper at times.






Thanks for the Ideas Stacy.
Darcy:)
 
those look good, now can you imagine doing all three of the bars in those knives at once in one billet?
 
I can imagine it........will have to wait and see if I can "do" it:D Even if I can only manage a smallish blade, it'll be worth it at least once or twice.
Thanks again for your help, very much appreciated.
Darcy:)
 
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