Question CGFBM vs FBM

[rafa1]

What is the difference between FBM and CGFBM,also please recommend one of the 2.

 

[Jaxx]

One refers to the general model (Fusion Battle Mistress), the other refers to a specific type of FBM, in this case Combat Grade Fusion Battle Mistress.
But, generally, most consider the FBM & CGFBM to be the same animal...
So with this in mind, I recommend the CGFBM.



Did you mean the difference between the FFBM or FFFBM & the CGFBM?

 

[rafa1]

Thanks Jaxx
I have a chance to purchase either for the same amount of $$,and the choice is between FBM and CGFBM.Why do you prefer the combat grade version?

 

[Jaxx]

My point is that they are generally considered the same... .25" thick, CBT (Corrugated Bevel Technology...the 'ridges' on the blade), coated, standard or magnum sized handles in either micarta or G-10) so if this description matches what you are looking at, I'd choose the one you like best. If they look different, such as one not having ridges (the 'CBT' I mentioned) or is fat (thicker), or has a satin finish, it could be a different type of FBM, like a FFBM, or a FBMLE, or maybe something else. Got a pic of the 2?

 

[rafa1]

 

[MADDMAN]

I'll take #1 please!!!

 

[Jaxx]

I'll take #1 please!!!

BACK UP, ya HOG!!

...OK, now we're talkin'

The first is an FBM sold at a show or Ganza. Not an original "CGFBM", only because it isn't on the options that were offered then, but for all intents and purposes it is a CGFBM just the same as it is a .25" CBT FBM blade with ("Tequila Sunrise") G-10 magnum grips (I'm guessing magnum anyway. ).
The second is a FFBM (Flat Fusion BM) or possibly a FFFBM (Fat Flat Fusion BM) depending on its blade thickness. No CBT (ridges) on the blade. Can't tell if it has black paper micarta or black G-10 magnum handles...

My personal choice still leans to the CGFBM, but this is a personal choice, and many here amongst us would disagree with me. I like the looks of the FFBM better as a collection piece because of the blade/handle combo (Sage & black, yum!), but I like the CGFBM better as a user because of the blade thickness and the CBT.

My advice would be to ask the Seller what the thickness of the FFBM is, and what the handle is machined from on that one and then decide from there.

 

[Jaxx]

Forgot that I did want to make it clear that the difference between an original CGFBM or even the FFBM/FFFBM (originally sold exclusively through the Busse Company Store) and one sold later at a show or Ganza is really only limited to different blade/handle combos, if even that. The knife itself is the same as it ever was. :thumbup:

 

[l2lku2]

I recognized those for sale pictures from the style and background and I know who it is from and I verified it by looking at the for sale thread.

It is not my place to say it but I will say it anyway. Research carefully if the prices asked for those knives are fair prices and whether you really want to buy from that dealer. He was banned from here for unscrupulous behavior.

 

[Jaxx]

Heh, I wasn't paying attention to that, but THAT is a very good point 12lku2 makes. You can find them cheaper elsewhere as long as you have a little patience to wait for a deal. Don't get suckered into paying a premium price from a person who is just in it to make money hand over fist...

It'$ Your Dough...A little Re$earch Goes a Long Way..."

ETA: It might be worth calling Lexi or Pokey @ Busse to see if Garth has a few left over from shows and can fill a custom order. Try giving 'em a call on Monday. Never hurts to ask, right? :thumbup:

 

[David Brown]

Jaxx has it right. with the descriptions and on the buying from those that support the forum we all love, not banned folks.

But I have a question now;

The FFBM were there any of those that were .25" ?

I thought there was the CG's and the fat ones ?

 

[Jaxx]

Jaxx has it right. with the descriptions and on the buying from those that support the forum we all love, not banned folks.

But I have a question now;

The FFBM were there any of those that were .25" ?

I thought there was the CG's and the fat ones ?

Dave, I had 2 Sage & tan/olive G-10 FFBM's that I sold long ago that were in the neighborhood of .27"-.28" while the other combos I had from the BCS were .31"-.32". I seem to recall several others saying that they got a thinner "FFFBM" too. Pretty sure that's why there are the 2 names now...FFBM & FFFBM.

 

[l2lku2]

I have been trying to figure out the whole FFBM & FFFBM thing for a while now and am still confused.

Was the FFBM saber ground and the FFFBM full-flat grind?

 

[uyotg]

I have been trying to figure out the whole FFBM & FFFBM thing for a while now and am still confused.

Was the FFBM saber ground and the FFFBM full-flat grind?

I think the thing about the FFBM and FFFBM is just that they're the same thing. Came up recently in my own research.
The source I read could be wrong, too. I can't find it now, but it was on these very forums.

Edit: Ah, here you go: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/699647-ffbm-fffbm-information
Even still, some conflicting info in there.

 

[Jaxx]

I have been trying to figure out the whole FFBM & FFFBM thing for a while now and am still confused.

Was the FFBM saber ground and the FFFBM full-flat grind?

I think the thing about the FFBM and FFFBM is just that they're the same thing. Came up recently in my own research.
The source I read could be wrong, too. I can't find it now, but it was on these very forums.

Edit: Ah, here you go: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/699647-ffbm-fffbm-information
Even still, some conflicting info in there.

See my post above yours. Both were saber ground, but apparently thicknesses varied on some. I've wondered if some 2007SE flat saber FBM blanks got mixed in with the thicker ones for the Store...because they were .27"

 

[l2lku2]

OK, thanks.

I knew I had seen both saber ground and full-flat ground one(s), just like the FBMLE but coated and without the LE Snakeskin handles. It seems those were from show(s) and not production.

These threads shed some more light.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/659132-FFFBM-vs-FFBM

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/699647-ffbm-fffbm-information

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/567459-FFBM-vs-FFFBM

 

[AZTimT]

All of the F's make the whole FBM thing way too confusing to both new guys and people shopping the exchange. :grumpy: After reading this, one may need to get drunk just to come to terms with it all.

The only important difference between an FFBM (or FFFBM as some call it) is if it is Fat .31-.32 or not as the .27-28 versions are saber grind just like the Fat ones.
Why even call a saber grind Flat in such a confusing manner? The only reason that makes any sense, is to justify it by saying it is not a CG (Combat Grade, more easily remembered when shopping as Corrugated Grooved) with CBT grooves.
Ironically, if it doesn't have grooves (and hasn't been modified), it is obviously an FBM, so the concern is whether it is Fat or not and not whether it is Flat, unless it is actually unique in having a Flat grind like the FBM LE.
From everything I have read, the FBM LE seems to be the only Flat grind out of the production runs.


The CGFBM is unique in that it is the thinnest/lightest of the FBM design, has the corrugated grooves and also one less scallop on the spine (two scallops and a thumb ramp) compared to the thicker non-CBT versions (three scallops and a thumb ramp). These poorly lit pictures show the difference.

These shots of a stripped CGFBM show the weight, grooves and .24-.25 thickness. This one measures thinner due to being stripped and competition finished by the shop.

These shots demonstrate a show version .27-.28 thick saber FBM, both weight and thickness.

These shots demonstrate an FBMLE, which is basically a satin & numbered, flat grind version of the same .31-.32 INFI blank from which saber grind FFBM (or FFFBM as some call it) is made.

 

[Jaxx]

...Ironically, if it doesn't have grooves (and hasn't been modified), it is obviously an FBM, so the concern is whether it is Fat or not and not whether it is Flat, unless it is actually unique in having a Flat grind like the FBM LE.
From everything I have read, the FBM LE seems to be the only Flat grind out of the production runs...

Actually, there was this Special Edition limited production run that's also a full height flat FBM...

It's in the neighborhood of .27" thick, with a sharpened swedge.

 

[RussMo]

The easy way I always kept it straight is like this, (Generalization here) and keep in mind whether your talking CG, Satin's, SE's or LE's
CGFBM---CORRUGATED GROOVES with a thickness around .250
FFBM---SABRE GRIND with a thickness around .270 or .310
FFFBM---FULL FLAT GRIND with a thickness around .270-.300 or .320
Now to really muk this up I have a Custom FFBM that has a thickness of .256. So when your talking FBMs as a blanket keep it simple for youself in that is it Corrugated,Sabre or Flat ground, and then ask about a thickness. Between Customs, Shows and original production runs things will very.
I have seen a multitude of variations, so when your making your choice just start with which design & thickness you would prefer to pursue, piece of cake!!!

 

[rafa1]

Many thanks To AZTimT and to all the members who responded,your advice and experience has been tremendously helpful,it's wonderful to have a community like that I can count on to help.