question concerning abuse regarding wood craft

Cliff Stamp said:
Yes, two people have broken Cold Steel blades batoning and discussed it pubically and and several people are contenting that it was due to the blade not being horizontal during the batoning. Ref :

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=360675

This contains links to Knifeforms which discusses the subject and condems the user of blade broken in a similar manner as being in error and his technique is what broke the knife.

-Cliff
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Yeah, well, it's another knife maker saying that this was abuse. Probably doesn't want to see the same thing in his knives... These knives should be able to **easily** handle this. Easily.
 
sodak said:
These knives should be able to **easily** handle this. Easily.
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It is a common perspective that comparison testing between knives is a bad thing, this is an obvious example of why this is a huge problem as it can lead to significant misconceptions. If any of the people involved had actually ever tried it with a well constructed knife made out of quality steel, evidence to the contrary would have been readily obtained.

It is obviously fine for a maker/manufacturer to say "My knives are not capable of this type of use, it is abusive", but extending this and claiming it is abusive in general, is more than a little out of bounds. How could you possibly feel you have the right or even ability to say what is abusive to another makers/manufacturers product.

-Cliff
 
360joules said:
Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. That is what I thought you meant, Cliff.

I just can't imagine calling that "abuse". I mean, obviously you're going to TRY to keep the blade pointed straight down, but harder woods tend to have grains that twist a bit, which may force the knife to slant. So, what? Is someone suggesting that it's abuse to try to split this type of wood?


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If they are talking about what I have heard other people talking about, it is allowing the grip of the knife to go lower than the tip, while hitting the tip with the batton...
This causes the wood at the back of the blade to form a fulcrum with the LONG part of the lever being hit by the batton. If the fulcrum point happens to hit a knot in the wood, the forces produced can sometimes snap a blade right at the back.
 
jamesraykenney said:
If they are talking about what I have heard other people talking about, it is allowing the grip of the knife to go lower than the tip, while hitting the tip with the batton...
This causes the wood at the back of the blade to form a fulcrum with the LONG part of the lever being hit by the batton. If the fulcrum point happens to hit a knot in the wood, the forces produced can sometimes snap a blade right at the back.
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Allowing the blade to go off horizontal doesn't do this at all, maximal impact will be applied internally when the blade is actually horizontal and the distance from the tang to the pivot point is much more critical in regards to the level of internal shearing. Even at the worst possible conditions for a blade which would be the tang/blade juncture right next to a knot, it isn't hard for a blade to be able to take the impacts, you just need a decent carbon steel and suitable radiusing.

-Cliff
 
jamesraykenney said:
If they are talking about what I have heard other people talking about, it is allowing the grip of the knife to go lower than the tip, while hitting the tip with the batton...
This causes the wood at the back of the blade to form a fulcrum with the LONG part of the lever being hit by the batton. If the fulcrum point happens to hit a knot in the wood, the forces produced can sometimes snap a blade right at the back.
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Your are right. At the time that I posted that, I did not truly understand exactly what the argument was. However, that doesn't change the sentiment of my statements.

Argue for your limitations and BANG! they're yours.

I don't have that problem with my knife. I don't have to think twice about it.

Cheers,

:D -360
 
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