Question for the mods.

Dallas T

Dallas T

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Hey guys, just curious. With the banner up top of auto sales page referencing to stop using friends and family which i agree with, why are so many members only taking unsecured payment methods? I’ve offered goods n services on several knives lately even if they’re listed as ff only. And have been denied many times, my question is can that not be made a rule for here? I absolutely won’t cause Ive been scammed in the past. It just seems awfully trusting to send someone unsecured money you’ve never met for an item you’ve never seen. Not trying cause any drama just genuinely asking.
 
It's a dead horse that has been beaten for many times. The problem of being scammed, however, has much more to do with the buyer not verifying the person they are sending money to than the payment method itself. Are we going to ban Zelle and Venmo too?
 
In the auto exchange the problem may get even more complicated, since it seems G&S does not cover auto knives.
If so, t, then it is a non secured payment F&F or G&S, and sellers may be reluctant to pay the fees.
Not condoning the practice, just pointing out, that auto knife sellers may have additional excuses than the standard reasons
 
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sharp_edge said:
Are we going to ban Zelle and Venmo too?
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I am not in favor of banning any method and I wouldn't be comfortable with the forum taking those kinds of steps - where would the line get drawn? This is an opportunity for folks to utilize some personal responsibility - if they get taken, hopefully it serves as a lesson. We all have the tools at our ready disposal to protect ourselves and it takes very little effort.

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Venmo is just another form of PayPal (same owner). It is built for friend to friend transfers and it carries similar protections (or lack thereof) as PP F&F, if memory serves. You can use a credit card as an additional layer of protection but Venmo will impose fees if you do so. Zelle is one of the very last methods I would recommend anyone use and I refuse to use it myself. It is a direct bank to bank transfer and your recourse is quite limited (or nonexistent in some cases) if things go south. You can't use a credit card either. Some banks won't back you up in the event of an issue, though some might - that will be between the user and their bank. With this level of convenience comes a hefty risk and I am not a fan.
 
There is zero reason to tell people don't do anything. The feedback system is there for a reason. Let the buyer make their own mind up and be a adult, they know the risks and can make their own deal. How did we survive before paypal was a thing? Seems like we sent money orders or cash. My 13 years of perfect seller feedback should mean something. Fact of the matter is I sell how I want to sell and if you don't like it don't buy from me. But the last thing we need with a paid membership is the folks you are giving your money to for many years trying to kill your sale.

Also, So it is OK to protect the buyer but not the seller? The seller assumes the most amount of risk. They can ship something and have a unscrupulous buyer file a claim for any reason. Then you lose your item you shipped and your account gets locked up. Oh joy. Happened to a friend and took him a year to get his account fixed. I decide how I sell my items period.
 
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JackalopeSTICKER said:
Fact of the matter is I sell how I want to sell and if you don't like it don't buy from me. But the last thing we need with a paid membership is the folks you are giving your money to for many years trying to kill your sale.
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No one is paying the moderators any money...in case that is not clear after all these years.

And for the record, while I agree that feedback history should be useful in vetting a seller, the fact remains that some of our members have had their accounts hacked because they did not use strong passwords along with 2FA. When an account is hacked, the feedback is no longer a safeguard.

Spark has not made any method of payment mandatory, and has declined to do so...but he has strongly suggested that folks not use PPFF.

The rest is up to buyers and sellers. We can only do so much.
 
I pay my money to a forum to be able to sell. I don't care if they volunteer or not they are a representative for the forums and are actively trying to kill sellers ability to sell as they see fit. This heavily sways the minds of potential buyers.
 
Also, the whole thing with the pics for paying members not being restored is a bait and switch period. I have signed up for many years and that was a huge factor in me deciding to do so. Full on bait and switch..
 
JackalopeSTICKER said:
I pay my money to a forum to be able to sell. I don't care if they volunteer or not they are a representative for the forums and are actively trying to kill sellers ability to sell as they see fit. This heavily sways the minds of potential buyers.
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You've already asked for your money back, so it's a moot point. Sorry if you feel that you've been cheated. Since we don't control the purse strings, you'll have to take it up with the owner.
 
It isn't moot, #1 I have not gotten a refund, #2 There are things called principals. #3 I have many friends on these forums that are getting the same shaft. #4 Folks should know what they are potentially signing up for.
 
JackalopeSTICKER said:
It isn't moot, There are things called principals. I have many friends on these forums that are getting the same shaft. And folks should know what they are potentially signing up for.
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Take it up with the owner. We have no control over any of the issues you're raising.
 
I've heard lots of complaints that Blade Forums should nanny the exchange and make sure that people are using Goods and Services.
I'd recommend burning the exchange to the ground and letting people fend for themselves.
Requiring moderation to make sure all business deals meet some standard is insane.
 
EngrSorenson said:
I've heard lots of complaints that Blade Forums should nanny the exchange and make sure that people are using Goods and Services.
I'd recommend burning the exchange to the ground and letting people fend for themselves.
Requiring moderation to make sure all business deals meet some standard is insane.
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Such as being honest and seeing that people get what they paid for
How dare they
 
Peter Hartwig said:
Such as being honest and seeing that people get what they paid for
How dare they
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I mean, they do follow up on obvious crookery, but that's more of a "forum health" kind of thing, in my opinion.
could you imagine trying to make sure everyone's business transaction was conducted with G&S? even then the checks would only be surface level- no one would know what two people agreed to.
 
We can't read PMs or emails...and Lord knows we don't want to if we don't need to.

I still prefer to be able, (virtually), to look a person in the eye and do a deal on a handshake. It's unfortunate that too many instances of fraud here of late have put the kibosh on that to a large extent.
 
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