Question for Umnum, 25 and Inkosi owners.

I fully understand what you were saying and I have no doubt the lock will last a lifetime. What it comes down to is it really bothers me that there is about 1mm of movement in the lock bar.

There are plenty of frame locks on the market that do this as well. It's just more noticeable on this lock.

For somebody that owns both. Does the Inkosi have the same type of movement?
 
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BellaBlades said:
This post shows the movement I speak of.
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I couldn’t figure out what you were saying until I got my ‘Zaans in hand. With pressure, lockbars on both move up and down a wee amount in the direction shown (pic for others like me who are a bit thick-behind-the-edge. ;))

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No blade play in any direction. At all. I tried it on my small Inkosi which has the groove on the tang...nothing. Could it be that the mystery reason for the grooved tang has finally been discovered?!?

Sadly, I do not (yet) have a large Inkosi for comparison. :(

ETA “a few mm” is an overestimate, at least with my Zaan’s.
 
BellaBlades said:
You are correct. I will edit that. It might me about 1mm.
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I’ll agree with that!
I will say this though (as I’ve been Zaanturbating for the last few minutes) as I grip the knife for use, even firmly, there is no diflection to speak of. For the first time I’ve noticed the show scale sits a tiny bit proud of the lockbar forward of the thumb catch (you can actually see that in my pic above if you zoom & look closely). Coincidence or design brilliance?

Anyhow, functionally it doesn’t seem to be an ussue with me; my grip just doesn’t apply much force in that vector. YMMV I guess. Good addition to this thread IMO.
 
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Has anybody tried it with a 21 or any other frame lock knife. I would think on any frame lock, the lock bar would have some spring to it. I don't know if that's a bad thing or not. Doesn't titanium have better memory than other metals ? If so, it shouldn't be an issue.
 
Ajack60 said:
Has anybody tried it with a 21 or any other frame lock knife. I would think on any frame lock, the lock bar would have some spring to it. I don't know if that's a bad thing or not. Doesn't titanium have better memory than other metals ? If so, it shouldn't be an issue.
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I've tried and tested this on my large 21's and large inkosi, all lock bars have some flex when you push with a lot of force, it's in the design. You can move them a tiny amount but they always just spring back to their original spot. There's always a compromise with locks, you either have the convenience and ease of use in a frame lock/axis lock/liner lock or you go full strength and utility in a Tri-Ad lock but less fidget factor. The CRK framelocks are tried and true, nothing to worry about.
 
4mer_FMF said:
I couldn’t figure out what you were saying until I got my ‘Zaans in hand. With pressure, lockbars on both move up and down a wee amount in the direction shown (pic for others like me who are a bit thick-behind-the-edge. ;))

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No blade play in any direction. At all. I tried it on my small Inkosi which has the groove on the tang...nothing. Could it be that the mystery reason for the grooved tang has finally been discovered?!?

Sadly, I do not (yet) have a large Inkosi for comparison. :(

ETA “a few mm” is an overestimate, at least with my Zaan’s.
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My Inkosi doesn’t display this type of movement in the lockbar at all. It is the version without the groove in the tang of the blade.
 
Well Mick you kind of stated what was already said and I pretty much agree. There will be no problem with reliability here . But no, not all lock bars flex.

Many do including all CRK models . The few 21 models I had would have just the slightest movement. It is exaggerated on the ceramic ball lock bars. I feel the Groove design that was scrapped may have been the fix for this.

All of us have have a pet peeve that bothers us and it just happens to annoy me. Really the only deal breaker for me is blade play.

I will check out that Umnum again in a few hours. Maybe I'm over it.

At the end of the day CRK is on my top 5 list and I just enjoy the discussion.
 
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Lapedog, thanks for the heads up. I can't wait to handle an Inkosi some time.

Worst case at the knife show in November.
 
BellaBlades said:
Well Mick you kind of stated what was already said and I pretty much agree. There will be no problem with reliability here . But no, not all lock bars flex. Many do including all CRK models and the point is, this is exaggerated on the ceramic ball lock bars. I feel the Grove design that was scrapped may have been the fix for this.

All of us have have a pet peeve that bothers us and it just happens to annoy me. Really the only deal breaker for me is blade play.

I will check out that Umnum again in a few hours. Maybe I'm over it.
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Sorry to add fuel to your pet peeve fire, but all lock bars do flex, you just need to push hard enough and in the right angle :). Ive tested it on hinderers, zt’s, crks, WE knives, reate, and shirogorov. Every single brand on various models can be pushed over lateraly or vertically in some way if you apply enough pressure. But like you said its not a big deal, its the nature of frame locks and im also getting over it. You sound a lot like me, im really ocd with my lockups and pet peeves, not sure there is a cure for guys like us mate :) Cheers
 
BellaBlades said:
Lapedog, thanks for the heads up. I can't wait to handle an Inkosi some time.

Worst case at the knife show in November.
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Nevermind, just double checked and I was wrong. I think almost any liner or framelock will experience this especially if there is a wide cut between the scale and the lockbar. (The cut that separates the lockbar from the rest of the lockside)
 
Good points. Please fuel the fire, makes for better conversation

The only lock bar I can surely say has no flex is the tab lock on my Dozier due to its design. That's one of a long list if reasons I ordered a custom from him.

It was a hard decision and I almost purchased a Inkosi Insingo instead last October. It's not as refined as a CRK . That is for sure.

It's still alot more on the Umnum and that is all I can say about it. I'd still consider a purchase for the Inkosi some day.

You hit the nail on the head . It's all mental. My OCD battle continues every day :)
 
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BellaBlades said:
Good points. Please fuel the fire, makes for better conversation

The only lock bar I can surely say has no flex is the tab lock on my Dozier.

It's still alot more on the Umnum and that is all I can say about it. I'd still consider a purchase for the Inkosi some day.
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Glad to hear your dozier is free of ocd triggers. Yeah the ceramic interface will always have bit more flex than 2 metal surfaces gritting together. The inkosi is a fantastic user mate, i was on the fence for the longest time, that’s why i started this thread a while back, was concerned about lockup and wear etc. i can say since having it ive stripped it down and used it just like i use my cold steel workhorse beaters and she’s just smiling and asking for more. I really get enjoyment out of using a classy looking knife for harder work because I appreciate the refinement of the design. Anyways, enjoy and best of luck resisting future purchases :thumbsup:
 
Thank you. For now I have my CRK and Dozier. So maybe after my wife and I pick out a house I can grab one.

That's the beauty of going to a knife show. I get to play with almost everything I could ever want and get it out of my system.

While the DK checks off most boxes like steel, heat treat, lock up etc. Some folks could never get over this lol.

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BellaBlades said:
Thank you. For now I have my CRK and Dozier. So maybe after my wife and I pick out a house I can grab one.

That's the beauty of going to a knife show. I get to play with almost everything I could ever want and get it out of my system.

While the DK checks off most boxes like steel, heat treat, lock up etc. Some folks could never get over this lol.

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Don't think the picture attached it doesn't seem to open, very curious to see what it is!
 
Just a slab of titanium milled per design. Pivot and Handle screw. Simple and effective.

There is a tiny cut in the liner to have the rear bend in just a tad further than the front.

Poor photos but you get the idea.

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