Question: LEO's, please, for knife preference

I found the article i referred to in my previous post. I apologize to the OP for going off-topic, but the TDI always pop up in these threads. As said, i think its a dangerous knife considering the fact, that some officers view their knife as a weapon retention device:

http://www.austinchronicle.com/blogs/news/2010-12-24/former-yogurt-shop-suspect-killed-by-apd-updated/

Austin Police shot and killed former yogurt shop defendant Maurice Pierce around 11pm Thursday night, after pulling Pierce over on a traffic stop in North Austin.

According to APD, Pierce ran a stop sign near Parmer Lane and McNeil Drive around 10:54p. After pulling over, officials say Pierce got out of the car and fled on foot. One officer -- Brad Smith, a rookie -- followed Pierce in a patrol car, while a second, five-year veteran Officer Frank Wilson, pursued Pierce on foot to the 12800 block of Carrera.

Wilson caught up with Pierce a short time later (near the intersection of Shreveport Dr. and Campos Dr.) and a "struggle ensued," said APD spokeswoman Anna Sabana. During the struggle, Wilson attempted to tase Pierce, and Pierce allegedly grabbed a knife from Wilson's duty belt and cut the officer's neck. Wilson was then able to draw his firearm, and shot Pierce. Pierce ran off and was found deceased nearby.

Wilson was taken to the hospital with a severed carotid artery among other injuries, but is expected to make a full recovery. At a Friday press conference, Asst. Chief David Carter credited quick action by back-up officers for saving Wilson's life. Both Wilson and Smith have been placed on administrative leave, as is standard procedure in an officer-involved shooting, while the department investigates the incident.

Pierce was one of four men charged in the grisly 1991 yogurt shop murders. At the time of the crime, the four were teens, as were the crime victims. He was jailed for four years before prosecutors finally dismissed the charges against him for a lack of evidence. Robert Springsteen and Michael Scott were both tried for the murders and convicted, but those cases were overturned on appeal. Last year District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg dropped the charges against both men. A case was dropped against the fourth, Forrest Welborn, after two Travis Co. grand juries failed to indict him. Carter noted that the yogurt shop murders remain the subject of an open investigation.
 
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I'm not a LEO, so I won't comment on a duty knife. But since you mentioned the option of buying two knives, how about a nice smaller one for off-duty carry? Something classy and not too heavy, like a BM Shori.
 
The Kabar TDI is an incredibly dangerous knife. Its carried on the duty belt in plain view without any form of built-in retention. It doesnt take much skill for an offender to grab the knife and use it against the officer. Id strongly advise any LEO against carrying the TDI or any fixed blade in plain view.

Back in 2010 a officer from the Austin Police Department found out first hand how dangerous it can be. The officer chased a offender down on foot. He caught up with him and a fight ensued and the offender was able to grab the officers TDI and slash his throat, severing his cartoid artery. The officer was able to get to his gun and shot and killed the offender. Luckily the officer survived thanks to the quick action of his partner and EMT's. IIRC Austin PD ended up banning all knives carried on the duty belt.
That is an excellent point, thank you. Does this danger apply to all fixed blades carried for weapon retention purposes, or is there a workaround?
 
That is an excellent point, thank you. Does this danger apply to all fixed blades carried for weapon retention purposes, or is there a workaround?

If one insists on carrying a fixed blade in plain view for weapon retention purposes, then the sheath needs to have built-in retention. A workaround could be concealed carry, such as a boot knife for example. Remember, the easier and quicker it is to deploy, the easier and quicker a bad guy can use it against you.

K Robinson makes Level II retention kydex sheaths for folders and fixed blades. JB Knives also did a fixed blade sheath with a built-in safety/retention. Both makers are on bladeforums.
 
I want to thank all you folks that posted here. It is a great help. He will get an Endura (Lone Wolfe) collab knife for sure. His name is engraved on the spine. :)
I will also give him either a very-virgin SMF-NSN (U.S. Marines SOCOM knife) or a new ZT0561. I own all three of these knives already.

I suspect he would prefer the Strider. I know that I do, but it's nearly 100% and it just sits in my safe, so I'm glad for him to have it. Striders are happier when they have a few scars...
Thank you all for your posts and for your service. It's appreciated by a lot of us out here.
Don aka Sonnydaze
 
If one insists on carrying a fixed blade in plain view for weapon retention purposes, then the sheath needs to have built-in retention. A workaround could be concealed carry, such as a boot knife for example. Remember, the easier and quicker it is to deploy, the easier and quicker a bad guy can use it against you.

K Robinson makes Level II retention kydex sheaths for folders and fixed blades. JB Knives also did a fixed blade sheath with a built-in safety/retention. Both makers are on bladeforums.
Thank you.
 
I sold a ZT 0561 to a fellow member here about two weeks ago, he used it on the second day he had it to pry the window out of a car full of drunks who managed to flip it.... That says a lot for lock & blade strength.
 
Been a ghetto cop for 25 years and highly recommend a leatherman wave.. i use it almost evey day. I also carry a cold steel push knife on my weak side.
 
I found the article i referred to in my previous post. I apologize to the OP for going off-topic, but the TDI always pop up in these threads. As said, i think its a dangerous knife considering the fact, that some officers view their knife as a weapon retention device:

http://www.austinchronicle.com/blogs/news/2010-12-24/former-yogurt-shop-suspect-killed-by-apd-updated/

Very dangerous knife, I was working when he was brought in that night....won't go into any more detail because of hippa but basically the gist I got was he was wearing his tdi exposed with no retention..fight went to the ground and the bad guy pulled it off of him.
 
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One of the spyderco rescue knives would be a solid choice as well.

Any of y'all have experience with both the assist and rescue? Trying to decide between the two for an additional duty knife to my zt 561/emerson cqc-8. I'd be carrying it in either back right or front right pocket.
 
Any of y'all have experience with both the assist and rescue? Trying to decide between the two for an additional duty knife to my zt 561/emerson cqc-8. I'd be carrying it in either back right or front right pocket.

The New rescue 3 is nice for pocket carry. The assist is a bit to thick to put in your pocket. You will not have access to the stuff in that pocket. If your ok with just that in your pocket then the assist is safer to use for cutting seatbelts and such.
 
For a big guy(myself also) I would consider the ZT0561, Hinderer XM-24 or Grayman SATU.
 
Honestly think about the chances of him needing to stab someone and the chances of him needing to perform any number of other tasks.

Pick something useful and nice that he'll be able to get some use out of outside of the really heavy scenario of "SWAT COP!!!"

You could get him one of the beautiful Alox Swiss Army knives and get it engraved for him so it's very personal and not ultra-common, and useful throughout life (how often could he find a use for a Cadet while training and maintaining gear?), and then get something like the Benchmade Contego or one of the ZT knives to satisfy the interest in adding to his job safety.

Personally I bet the guns he definitely carries on and off the job are close to the pinnacle of defensive weapons, while knives are very close to no weapon at all, possibly worse.
 
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