Questions About Galvanized Angle

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I recently came across a small supply of angle iron that appears to be galvanized. I was planning on fabricating a few things for the shop with it but am worried about being exposed to toxic fumes from welding it. I do have an organic vapor respirator but i think that would be pretty much impossible to use with my welding helmet. So, i was thinking maybe grind off the galvanized layer at the points that i want to weld and wear my respirator while grinding it. Has anyone ever worked with this stuff, and do you have any tips or recommendations?
 
Bingo. Grind it back from the weld and you should be fine.

Other than the fumes, you do not want to weld the galvanize because it makes for a crappy weld.
 
Use as much ventilation as you can welding it. If you see white smoke or white/yellow powdery looking stuff around the weld you are vaporizing zinc. If you start to feel a headache or light headed stop and get into fresh air.

Wayne Suhrbier
 
Use as much ventilation as you can welding it. If you see white smoke or white/yellow powdery looking stuff around the weld you are vaporizing zinc. If you start to feel a headache or light headed stop and get into fresh air.

Wayne Suhrbier

^ +1 If you don't get all the galvanizing ground off you will also develop a strange taste in your mouth. Personally I won't weld anything galvanized or zinc plated.

David Sharp
Sharpwerks
 
I am going to preface this post with the warning that breathing any fumes ,even the forge exhaust, is not a good thing. Shop safety and respirators are a must if you want a long and healthy life.

I will also set the record straight about Jim paw-paw Wilson's death from "zinc poisoning" as it is often stated. Jim was burning the coating off galvanized pipe in a tightly closed up shop - with no ventilation or respirator - with a case of the flu - and totally messed his lungs up by breathing the fumes over several hours. It wasn't the zinc that killed him. His death is often stated as "zinc poisoning", or "complications of metal fume fever" in some posts, but to put it in graphic words, he drown in the fluid that was weeping out of his destroyed lungs. It was pneumonia that killed him. Jim was a great guy, and knew better than to do what he did....but did it anyway. His example ( bad one) should be well noted by all.

That said, I read all the time posts where someone says, "Don't use galvanized, the fumes are toxic". ( often followed by a reference to paw-paw)


Galvanized steel is just regular steel with a coating of a zinc compound. If you look up zinc, you will find all sorts of info on ZINC POISONING. Especially for animals, some of which which are highly susceptible to zinc ( IIRC, dogs and birds).
Zinc poisoning is caused by the over absorption of metallic zinc into the body, which can play hell with your metabolism. You need zinc to live, but not too much of it. Zinc poisoning in humans is extremely rare.

Many metal parts in electronics and other industrial uses are CADMIUM plated, and cadmium fumes can kill you.

When you grind the zinc off of steel, you create zinc dust and may breathe metallic zinc. That is certainly not good. Breathing zinc dust can possibly cause zinc poisioning.........so grinding it off must be done carefully and all dust cleaned up ( which is pretty hard to do in most workshops). A P100 filter should be worn at all times when the grinding is in progress, and kept on until all dust is removed. Even with this warning, understand that zinc is a very active metal, and readily combines with oxygen to form zinc oxide ( or other compounds) and the amount of metallic zinc absorbed by grinding a few inches of galvanizing off a weld joint is most likely going to be minute ,unless you are working in an industrial situation doing it day in and day out.

When you weld or heat galvanized metal it creates a white fuzzy dross and a white smoke. This is not zinc...it is zinc oxide. Zinc oxide is not absorbable in any real way.....or every life guard in California would be dead by now.
If you breath enough of it it can make you feel bad, but is not going to kill you. This is called "ZINC SICKNESS" ...not zinc poisoning. Another name is "METAL FUME FEVER".
Zinc sickness is caused by breathing too much zinc oxide fumes and makes you feel nauseous and headachy. If you were breathing smoke, grain dust, or many other airborne particulates, similar symptoms may result.
The treatment for zinc sickness is fresh air, a glass of milk, and a good nights sleep. It is not fatal.
Good ventilation with a fan blowing the fumes away prevents it, as well as wearing a P100 particulate respirator. Zinc oxide is not an organic compound, and does not require special organic filters.

The long and short of this post is that 90% of all people think that zinc welding fumes are deadly...but that is not the case. Same story goes for MOP and Abalone, which are often posted as giving off deadly cyanide gas. MOP and other shells are calcium carbonate, and similar compounds....which is probably in your toothpaste. There is no cyanide in shells. Apricot pits have cyanide.
 
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Good post, Stacy.

I have long leads on my welder that can go out the door, if I have to weld galvy I go outside with it if possible.

Drinking milk will indeed help, I don't know if it's just psychosomatic- I worked at a place where the crusty old welder guys kept milk in the fridge at all times in case of zinc sickness.
 
Milk is a calcium bearing liquid. It does several things -
One is the neutralize things in the stomach by combining with them into less absorbable calcium compounds.
Two is to dilute the material and settle the stomach by neutarlizing acids.
Three is to somewhat "coat" the stomach and slow down absorbtion of the material.
Four is to make you remember your mother and how she would give you a glass of milk when you felt bad.
 
Having had a 3 day case metal fume fever, I can agree that it did not end my life, but I also have no desire to repeat the experience. It's all the joy of the flu, without the runny nose.

Even if you are welding outside, you can still get considerable exposure to the fumes. Ever notice how smoke from welding or a fire will still come towards you, no matter which side you stand on, unless there's a strong breeze? The heat from your body causes convection currents that will draw air towards you. FWIW I was welding outside when I got sick.

While zinc oxide on the skin is no problem, the stomach is an acidic environment which can reduce metal oxides to more easily absorb-able forms. Anything that gets into your lungs and does not stay there, ends up in your stomach. Unless you happen to spit after you cough of course.

But the solution to safely welding zinc is pretty easy. For $10 each or less you can buy flame retardant disposable welding fume respirators that will fit under a welding helmet. A re-useable respirator is in the $50-100 range, and if you have really deep pockets you can get a powered welding respirator that has a welding helmet built in, or a fume extractor. It's cheap insurance, I keep a few disposable respirators around for jobs that come up.
 
Milk is a calcium bearing liquid. It does several things -
One is the neutralize things in the stomach by combining with them into less absorbable calcium compounds.
Two is to dilute the material and settle the stomach by neutarlizing acids.
Three is to somewhat "coat" the stomach and slow down absorbtion of the material.
Four is to make you remember your mother and how she would give you a glass of milk when you felt bad.

Milk is also a mucus producer and offers some protection to your lungs and pharynx. The extra mucus can trap more foreign particles and also helps the body get rid of them, by couughing up phlegm. Marble cutters in Italy still get a free glass of milk to start the day with. The stone dust also has the habit of drying out the mucus membranes.

Standard practice in UK is to weld using an extraction hood and curtains. Certainly indoors.
 
In the past grinding never seemed to remove all of the zinc, and that was almost as bad as the welding. It's not worth it, I gave it up long ago.
 
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