Quick question about the Manix 2 CPM S110V

[Fancier]

On the plus side for S110V it can be run harder and contains some cobalt which may make the heat treatment more consistent. On the minus side it hasn't been used in production knives for very long and there may be a few wrinkles to smooth out still.
On the other hand Spyderco has been producing knives in S90V for quite a while and their track record has been excellent with them.
In either case you're getting a very high carbide stainless, so if those are the characteristics that you need then either steel should make you happy.
The Manix 2 in S110v is an excellent bargain and is currently in production.

 

[bowman78]

On the plus side for S110V it can be run harder and contains some cobalt which may make the heat treatment more consistent. On the minus side it hasn't been used in production knives for very long and there may be a few wrinkles to smooth out still.
On the other hand Spyderco has been producing knives in S90V for quite a while and their track record has been excellent with them.
In either case you're getting a very high carbide stainless, so if those are the characteristics that you need then either steel should make you happy.
The Manix 2 in S110v is an excellent bargain and is currently in production.

In the end of the day. S90V will be all I want for a folder. If you plan to abuse enough to need something more than S90V just purchase a fixed blade.

 

[NJBillK]

I did not plan on abuse or even That hard of use when I purchased my manix 2 s110v. I cut mainly cardboard and some other random packaging materials.
The main draw for me is the fact that it keeps an edge for a hell of a long time. Yes, I can sharpen a knife, quite well actually. I currently own knives in 1095 crovan, a2, o1, 440c, s110v and s30v and I am equally at home sharpening and maintaining any of them. My preference is that I don't Have to sharpen a work knife daily, period.

How s110v fairs in batoning, bushcraft or even cutting dinner is not a concern of mine. I found a steel that fit my needs, and I mod'd it to fit my preference.
S110v steel, manix 2 g10 body, I sharpen it once a week or so and it works great.

 

[bowman78]

I did not plan on abuse or even That hard of use when I purchased my manix 2 s110v. I cut mainly cardboard and some other random packacking materials.
The main draw for me is the fact that it keeps ane edge for a hell of a long time. Yes, I can sharpen a knife, quite well a tually. I currently own knives in 1095 crovan, a2, o1, 440c, s110v and s30v and I am equally at home sharpening and maintaining any of them. My preference is that I dont Have to sharpen a work knife daily, period.

How s110v fairs in batoning, bushcraft or even cutting dinner is not a concern of mine. I found a steel that fit my needs, and I mod'd it to fit my preference.
S110v steel, manix 2 g10 body, I sharpen it once a week or so and it works great.

Exactly. I'd never use a folder for hard use. Mos I'd use it for is maybe shaving a stick for tinder. The rest is for my good ol' fixy.

 

[Ankerson]

Interesting thread...

The thing about S110V much like any other steel it's performance depends heavily on heat treatment, hardness and geometry, and that's just talking about the knife itself, not getting into sharpening and perception, bias etc.

In general in like knives at like geometry keeping things apples to apples S110V will perform better than S90V.

S110V has the advantage of being run in a much higher hardness than S90V does so that will make a difference of say S90V at 60 vs S110V at 62 etc.

Even at the same hardness range of say 60 S110V will have an advantage due to the higher alloy content over S90V.

In real world use perceptions can and will vary based on a lot of things so it's all subjective, they can be in the end pretty close in performance depending on the variables.

 

[singularity35]

Stop trying to start a fight.

Yeh, on with hitting the strawman...

To whom were you addressing this post to? If you can't answer that, my point is made. My point being that nobody in this thread mentioned that S110V was better than S90V up to that point. And since you were the one that brought it up, it's you that wanted an argument about the steels. Am I right or am I right?

May I ask you why you think S110V is better than S90V? I think most people see a higher # and assume it means it's better. Better at what?

 

[singularity35]

In the end of the day. S90V will be all I want for a folder. If you plan to abuse enough to need something more than S90V just purchase a fixed blade.

I'm sure nobody meant abuse when they mention "better" than S90V. You did ask about the S110V Manix and Fancier came back with info about the steel and the knife.

 

[NJBillK]

In general in like knives at like geometry keeping things apples to apples S110V will perform better than S90V.

S110V has the advantage of being run in a much higher hardness than S90V does so that will make a difference of say S90V at 60 vs S110V at 62 etc.

Even at the same hardness range of say 60 S110V will have an advantage due to the higher alloy content over S90V.

2 posts up. Please drop the bickering about who said what. It is right there for everyone to read.
Please try not to be side tracked by snide remarks, as it doesn't help the OP in his search for answers.

 

[singularity35]

2 posts up. Please drop the bickering about who said what. It is right there for everyone to read.
Please try not to be side tracked by snide remarks, as it doesn't help the OP in his search for answers.

Well, sometimes the bickering does help to point out whose feedback is to be taken seriously. Whether I'm one of them or not, you decide.

 

[Blade Runner 7]

That's one hell of an inferiority complex to be carrying around buddy.

 

[singularity35]

That's one hell of an inferiority complex to be carrying around buddy.

Says the guy who's pretty good at dodging the issue...haha

 

[singularity35]

That's one hell of an inferiority complex to be carrying around buddy.

Says the guy who's been dodging the issue...haha

Anyway say what you want, I'm out. You're taking the 5th on this anyway.

 

[Blade Runner 7]

Oh boy now I'm feeding the troll here. I tried.....

Look buddy, my first post was

I would go S90V over S110V anyway.

Then you asked

May I ask why?

Oops, I just did.

Then my response

May I ask you why you think S110V is better than S90V? I think most people see a higher # and assume it means it's better. Better at what?

Here's your response

I never said it's better, I just asked why you preferred S90V. I pointedly asked that way because I felt that you were looking for an argument in your post. Anyway here we are...

So what you are saying is that I was looking for an argument in my first post. Why do you keep using a later post to try and prove I was looking for an argument? You somehow took my post about preferring S90V as somehow aggressive.

I was never dodging the "issue". I just figure every other rational person can see you are a troll. I didn't want to feed your aggressiveness. I even asked you to stop but you insist on pushing it. I don't know why starting internet arguments makes you feel better but you need a new outlet. We are all here trying to enjoy this mostly great community. Please join in and be a positive part. Not a negative one.

 

[MobileFireLord]

The metal composition makes it better in pretty much every aspect. Its essentially S90V on steroids. Its more wear resistant and corrosion resistant. Has more chromium, more stainless. Only downside is its harder meaning It'll chip instead of flexing like S90V would. S110V is also harder to sharpen, but holds an the same, if not longer. Basically S110V is stronger and will last longer at the cost of a harder knife that will be tougher to sharpen and will chip instead of flexing. S110V will hold an edge a bit longer as well but S90V will get sharper and will take less time to sharpen.

Personally I'd choose both steels under certain circumstances. I'd weather baton a S110V and abuse it with bushcraft. Keeping a S90V for slicing, food prep, etc. Things that need a sharper blade for. S30V would be my ideal choice for a sharp slicer, softer and easier to sharpen.

P.S. S110V has been known to be one of the hardest and longest lasting steels that is still known not to chip

I too will vote for S110V. Granted the difference between S90V vs. S110V will not be visible until it has pressed to the limit.

S110V has additional carbon and vanadium. Also niobium plays critical role here. It forms hardest carbide, more so than vanadium, yet alloy to be more workable. Also addition of cobalt, which strengthen and boost the affect of other metals in steel.

I wish Jim can chime in to explain his results, but all blade and edge geometry must be identical to be able to compare consistently. I must disagree on S110V chipping. I have yet to see it chip on my blade. And metallurgically speaking it is tougher than S90v, so it will not where S90v might.