Quick story and lesson learned.

winmagfrog

winmagfrog

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So, the wife, son and I are headed out for a busy little Sunday. Having just moved you can never go to Bed Bath & Beyond or Home Depot quite enough. My wife is driving and we pull out of the nieghborhood onto the somewhat narrow, curvey country road that we live off of. Wife screams "OH MY GOD!", I jump up from playing with my Ipod and ask "What". She says "This van", and I look out her window to see a white plumbers van along side us (on a two lane road with oncoming traffic). Just as I see the van I make eye contact with the driver who has the crazy eyes and see him VERY deliberately swerve into us. My wife is a very good driver, and we talk about scenarios like this fairly often. She swerves onto the 18 inch shoulder and stops. I would have pittted the guy, but she made the right call. The van angles in and stops pinning us from the front, we were clear in the rear to get out though. I'm in full on fight mode and levitate out of the car. I'm no stranger to scraps of any sort, but when it's to protect wife and child I can say I think that's the longest my fangs have ever grown. Well, I'm wearing my Samoan track shoes (flip flops) and tear around our vehicle to get this guy before he can do anything (more) to us. I guess he had a moment of clarity and decided it wasn't his day, so he punched it. I give quick chase on foot and get his tag number (VA plate BAE HMI). The whole time this is happening I'm, wishing I had the new Busse in our car that I'm taking out for a photo op. Well, I actually had a Microtech in my pocket that I didn't even think of and after I stopped running I saw that I had a large stick in my hand (don't remember grabbing it). Well, I run back to the car and tell the wife to GO, let's get this guy! Thank God for wise women, she says no- calm down. My 2 year old from the back pipes in with a "O.k.Daddy, SLOW down". The adreneline dumps from me at that sound, and my wife and I talk about what to do. I go on about how I won't be made a victim by some POS, blah blah blah. We decide to call the cops. Half an hour later the Officer shows up and politely tells us we can go file a complaint at the DMV, but past that there is really nothing we (or he) can do.

Here's the lessons learned.

1) Don't lose situational awareness. That Van could have just been setting us up for something else and I never would have seen it coming, all I wanted was to get to him and finish what I saw as a fight.

2) Listen to your Wife.

3) You CAN run fast in flip flops.

4) Hate to say it, but if we wanted to press any charges we wouldn't have a chance. No witnesses and no vehicle damage.

5) Most important. EDC a Busse, so you aren't thinking about the one in the car!

Hope someone gets something out of this, even if it's just an excuse to EDC a Busse!
 
I'm glad you and your family are OK - always remember that is all that is really important. Also, if it is knife against gun, usually the knife user will lose, so fortunately the guy did not meet you with a gun. Take good care of yourself and your family, and God bless you.

Gene
 
Thanks for sharing this story, and I'm glad you folks are safe. I am still learning to not let my rage get the best of me in these situations. Especially with loved ones in the vehicle.
 
happy it all worked out for you and yours!

remember, a stripper in the hand is worth two in the bush ;)

a happy ending would have been to whip out your 1911 and put about 8 golden sabers through his rear windows.:thumbup:
or at least it would look good in the movie...
 
Hi WinmagHog,
I'm glad you and your family are all well. I'll share a brief story with a happy ending too. Please understand than I'm not trying to judge your situation (they're all different). The story may not even be relevant to your situation. It was the family part that made me think of it.

An acquaintance moved to xxx from South Africa some time ago. His most marketable qualifications were being an Olympic level pistol shot, a pro level off-road racing driver, and having done two tours in and out of Angola (sshhh even still) with the Reccee's. I know it sounds improbable so feel free to take it or leave it.

He taught his wife to shoot and used to load up his vehicle with his wife and twin daughters and enough hardware to start a war. After a while, he says his brain overcame his ego. The main threat wherever he was in SA was pickup trucks full of teenage loonies with AK's. He left the hardware at home because he knew what he'd do and what the outcome would be.
 
Actually, I'm very glad I DIDN"T have a pistol on me. If I was driving, and shot him as he came over on me, that would be one thing. But, If I shot him as he was driving away?.?.?. I told the officer I would have shot the guy if I had a pistol since I had no doubt it was vehicular assault and thus "life threatening". He kind of just raised his eyebrows and I got the "you shouldn't have said that" from my wife... Kindly refer back to lesson #2.
 
still, this pisses me off and it would be nice if somebody took this "meathead" out or at least showed him the way to eat baby food the rest of his life.

this guy's lesson has only been to make sure that next time there's only wimmin in the car.

you did the right thing, no doubt, but i hope someday this guy meets up with somebody like charles bronson in "death wish" :eek:
 
Agreed. Normally, I'd be just that guy. And probably would have wound up in Jail and on CNN for it. I have a TON of LE friends and respect the thankless job they do. However, I did expect a little more than "File a report".

If it had happened the other way, and I was in the big house, I'd expect a special "INFI" Cake from you guys...
 
Winmagfrog - I'm glad everything turned out okay with the wife and kid not being hurt. I've had to work hard to modify my reactions in the last few years with the birth of our two kids. Ultimately, their safety is the most important thing. Protecting them is Priority One - sometimes that means walking away, sometimes that means EDCing a Glock! :D

I think you're right. Lesson? Stay Aware.
 
WimmaFrog,
I'm glad you and your family are safe.

On a personal note, I have put much more weight on my wife's opinion since hearing this Proverb.
"Who can find a virtuous wife? For her worth is far above Rubies. The heart of her husband safely trusts her: So he will have no lack of gain.
Proverbs 31: 10-11

I often lose sight of what is really important while trying to do what I think is "right" My wife keeps things in perspective better than I do, I think most women do ;)

Once again I'm glad that you and your family are safe

:D:D
 
The greatest power a man has to avoid a conflict.
If you've ever had anyone get in your face and you were able to talk them down, you'll know what I mean.
 
Glad your wife and family are ok.

I've learned over the years that my wife and family come way ahead of defending a macho ego.

In this case, they WERE defended when the van driver didn't pursue any other course of action and left the scene. Mission accomplished.

Telling the cop you would've shot the guy if only you'd had a gun tells him you're perhaps unstable, prone to over reaction and/or you got a real big macho ego you're trying to defend, either at the time or to the cop and wife.

When I was a cop, I remember one call I got of kids TP'ing someone's yard. When I arrived, the homeowner had a Ruger .357 Blackhawk in his hand. What was he going to do, shoot a kid for tossing a roll of toilet paper into his yard? Damn.

In this case, there was no vehicle contact and simply braking and pulling over avoided anything further. Sounds like "mission accomplished" to me.

.
 
Winmagfrog -

Glad you and the family are intact. I got a rush just reading the story...

Really glad you're ok.

**Note**
I still vote for the knife user who knows what he's doing, when at contact distance to ~21 feet. Steel is very effective at that range in the right hands.

And I'm pretty sure of 'frog's 'knows what he's doing'-ness... ;)
 
CHL - Don't leave home with out it.

It's there if ya really gotta have it.
 
WinHogFrog,

You made the right move. . . I'm very glad to hear that you and your family came out okay. . . I've been in the same situation WAY too many times, as Jennifer will attest. Luckily, the sanity of protecting our loved ones can sometimes overpower our aggression and our need to "fix" things. . . .

When I was single, I put on many a demonstration at many an intersection in situations like this. Luckily, I was only shot 46 times, stabbed 34 times and killed 14 times!!!! :eek: ( I know, I have amazing recuperative powers!!! :cool: )

I remember one incident that really helped me get a better grasp of situations like this. I was confronted/egged on/provoked/etc. . . on a back country road between here and the big city of Toledo. I ended up getting road-blocked by a van full of social degenerates from the city who decided that it would be fun to go to a "dance" in the country. Five of them piled out to wish me well with assorted items including baseball bats and crowbars. Just as the dance was getting well underway, a shotgun blast cut through the fun and grabbed everyone's attention!!! Turned out that an old farmer had been watching this situation unfold and thought that he might lend a hand. After he had all of our attention, he informed the degenerates that it didn't seem like a fair fight and he insisted, in his down home way, that the degenerates could only fight me one at a time. . . .This didn't quite fit into their plans, and considering that 4 of the 5 had soiled themselves at the sound of the shotgun, they decided that perhaps a different day and different location might be a better idea. I thanked the farmer, who then quietly murmered something about the questionable family lineage of the degenerates and then disappeared back into his cattle barn.

After relaying the story to my brother Dan, who had been with me many a time in similar situations when we were younger, but who was now much older and married with children, he offered some very wise advice. He looked at me with a confused look on his face and said in his most concerned and gentle brotherly voice, "Hey, Idiot Boy, why would you get out of a 2,500 lb. weapon to punch someone in the face with your 2 lb. fist?". . . Hmmmmm. . . . Was it possible that my MUCH older brother and his Rebel Yell soaked liver, could be right??? :confused: . . . .

Now, I just direct these dip putzes to get out of their cars, and once I have sufficient clearance and am sure that there won't be any property damage, I slam the accelerator to the floor and run them over!!! Works everytime!!! :D :thumbup:

It's not as big of a thrill as personally delivering a proper ass-kicking for the needy degenerates, but it is just as effective and can be fun for the whole family!!!:D

Nuke on my wayward HogFrog! :thumbup:

Jerry



 
Thank you Jerry!

I forget that I drive a 4,000 pound guided bludgeon...

It has been forefront in my thoughts of self-defense techniques, just went out the window this afternoon while reading the story...

Seriously, glad everyone is ok, and appreciate the stories for the message and lesson.

John
 
Guy tried to run myself and my not yet ex off the road back around '98. Came even with us and waved a POS folder at us. I waved my SHSHII back;) He continued to try to run us off the road so I invited him down a country road. The look was priceless when I got out with a holstered Glock 19 and 120lbs of pissed off Rottweiler!!! Everybody went home at that point but the dog was still upset because he didn't get anything to eat:)

Bob Mills
 
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