Rat 1 Folder

[allenC]

You've never seen a Spyderco with side to side blade play. That proofs
nothing! Side to side blade play comes to much with the SS Spydies.
And without an adjustable pivot pin, there's nothing you can do about it.
Dont get me wrong, I like most Spyderco models. I own 9 of theme.
The Stretch is my hunting folder, it cuts like a razor.

Did you contact Spyderco about the blade play?
They have excellent customer service.

 

[J85909266]

If I was referring to vertical play, I would have called it that way.
You are talking about the quality of a knive that you have never held
in your hands ( RAT whatever folder). Please keep on making "decent guesses".

You called it blade play, which is a general term to be interpreted however.

I have owned well over 25 Spydercos, and not a single one had side to side play. Not saying it doesn't happen, but for you to suggest that it's such a common problem with their knives is insulting to their products. Hence my tone.

I can look at a lot of knives and tell they aren't for me. If I need to hold every knife I see before I make judgement on it, then I'm going to be spending a lot of money.

 

[darklight943]

I really like my RAT1 folder - it's just a little too big for EDC, though (for me, that is). I take it with me when I go to the mountains.

 

[rifon2]

The quality of knives out of Taiwan has become more and more impressive over the past few years.

IMO still not quite at the level of Japanese manufacture, but very close.

(However, Chinese made knives still have a long way to go.)

At this point, I'd not have a Taiwanese knife as my go-to knife.
Still prefer a USA or Japan made knife for that.

BTW I'm basing this on perceived quality, not on politics.

 

[Cornelis Böhms]

The quality of knives out of Taiwan has become more and more impressive over the past few years.

IMO still not quite at the level of Japanese manufacture, but very close.

(However, Chinese made knives still have a long way to go.)

At this point, I'd not have a Taiwanese knife as my go-to knife.
Still prefer a USA or Japan made knife for that.

BTW I'm basing this on perceived quality, not on politics.

Did you held the RAT folder in your hand ?

 

[Cornelis Böhms]

Did you contact Spyderco about the blade play?
They have excellent customer service.

No Bad word about Spyderco's customer service.

 

[Cornelis Böhms]

You called it blade play, which is a general term to be interpreted however.

I have owned well over 25 Spydercos, and not a single one had side to side play. Not saying it doesn't happen, but for you to suggest that it's such a common problem with their knives is insulting to their products. Hence my tone.

I can look at a lot of knives and tell they aren't for me. If I need to hold every knife I see before I make judgement on it, then I'm going to be spending a lot of money.

Okay, that makes you the expert.

 

[rifon2]

Did you held the RAT folder in your hand ?

I'm not able to do things like metallugical analysis by holding a knife in my hand.

(Though my final buying decision is made only after I hold a knife in my hand.)


So while I appreciate direct questions at times, I'll say again, (with an edit):

The quality of knives out of Taiwan has become more and more impressive over the past few years.

IMO still not quite at the level of Japanese manufacture, but very close.

(However, Chinese made knives still have a long way to go.)

At this point, I'd not have a Taiwanese knife as my go-to knife.
I still prefer a USA or Japan made knife for that.

 

[Cornelis Böhms]

I'm not able to do things like metallugical analysis by holding a knife in my hand.

(Though my final buying decision is made only after I hold a knife in my hand.)


So while I appreciate direct questions at times, I'll say again, (with an edit):

What I was trying to say is that some people are so prejudged about knives
that dont come from Uncle Sam. There are also a lot of crap knives comming from the U.S. and Japan. I'm not saying that the RAT folder is made of better
materials than, for instance, Spyderco. My point is that this is a great knife.
It makes me sad that people who have never even seen or held this beast,
do have such a strong opinion.
I also did no 'metallurgical analysis' on the blade steel of the RAT. It is well-
tempered AUS 8. For months it is my EDC and I have used it very hard and
not by gutting cardboard boxes and manilla rope, but in the hard practice.
This is a jungle proven Randall/Perrin design, well-made in taiwan.
The price makes a folder of this quality one of the best buys on the market today. I have spent twice the amount for half the knife in the past.
Cor.

 

[bladeprince]

What I was trying to say is that some people are so prejudged about knives
that dont come from Uncle Sam. There are also a lot of crap knives comming from the U.S. and Japan. I'm not saying that the RAT folder is made of better
materials than, for instance, Spyderco. My point is that this is a great knife.
It makes me sad that people who have never even seen or held this beast,
do have such a strong opinion.
I also did no 'metallurgical analysis' on the blade steel of the RAT. It is well-
tempered AUS 8. For months it is my EDC and I have used it very hard and
not by gutting cardboard boxes and manilla rope, but in the hard practice.
This is a jungle proven Randall/Perrin design, well-made in taiwan.
The price makes a folder of this quality one of the best buys on the market today. I have spent twice the amount for half the knife in the past.
Cor.

Right on Cornelis. Rat-1 folder arrived today and I was immediately impressed with the quality and fit and finish. Although a liner lock, this one is perfectly angled and lined up. The pressure of the locking liner it much more than I have felt on almost any other liner lock. Sharpened to a razor's edge with about 5-6 minutes on the Sharpmaker. Blade shape is flat grind with a beautifully rounded tip and slight drip point. Looks to be a real "cutter". Very comfortable in my hand. Four clip positions and reversable thumb stud.

As far a being made in Taiwan, that's fine with me. I was told be a major online knife distributor (I used to sell knives) that Taiwan knife companies have much newer equipment and processes than many US knife companies. That, along with cheaper labor (but not by much, Taiwan is not mainland China) is why they can produce a quality knife at less cost. Also, they make the knife to the specifications of the company that is buying them or they won't be in business very long. We all know that the quality of Ontario knives (love my Rat-3), so why worry about the quality of the Rat-1, no matter where it's made.

Anyway, :thumbup: for the Rat-1 folder. I think we will become close friends as time goes by. It is one of the better knives out there in "knife land" and the price makes it well worth having.

Regards

 

[rifon2]

Hey, the Taiwanese knives are getting better and better.

And the workmanship for the price is phenomenal.

I've got no issue buying, owning, and using knives made in Taiwan.

 

[Cornelis Böhms]

Hey, the Taiwanese knives are getting better and better.

And the workmanship for the price is phenomenal.

I've got no issue buying, owning, and using knives made in Taiwan.

Keep it up!

 

[Cornelis Böhms]

Right on Cornelis. Rat-1 folder arrived today and I was immediately impressed with the quality and fit and finish. Although a liner lock, this one is perfectly angled and lined up. The pressure of the locking liner it much more than I have felt on almost any other liner lock. Sharpened to a razor's edge with about 5-6 minutes on the Sharpmaker. Blade shape is flat grind with a beautifully rounded tip and slight drip point. Looks to be a real "cutter". Very comfortable in my hand. Four clip positions and reversable thumb stud.

As far a being made in Taiwan, that's fine with me. I was told be a major online knife distributor (I used to sell knives) that Taiwan knife companies have much newer equipment and processes than many US knife companies. That, along with cheaper labor (but not by much, Taiwan is not mainland China) is why they can produce a quality knife at less cost. Also, they make the knife to the specifications of the company that is buying them or they won't be in business very long. We all know that the quality of Ontario knives (love my Rat-3), so why worry about the quality of the Rat-1, no matter where it's made.

Anyway, :thumbup: for the Rat-1 folder. I think we will become close friends as time goes by. It is one of the better knives out there in "knife land" and the price makes it well worth having.

Regards

My RAT-1 folder and I are already "close friends' for many months!:thumbup:

 

[Gramps]

It looks like a very impressive,well made, stout knife. While I have less and less need/use these days for a real heavy duty folder ( I have pretty much settled upon the Al Mar SERE 2000 for my "strong man" needs, which I use infrequently ), if I were in the market, so to speak, I would certainly look closely at the Rat 1 folder. At about $60, I think one would be hard pressed to find a "better" built, heavy duty folder irregardless of it's country of origin.

These days I'm much more likely to spend my money on something like this :

- Cheers

 

[Cornelis Böhms]

It looks like a very impressive,well made, stout knife. While I have less and less need/use these days for a real heavy duty folder ( I have pretty much settled upon the Al Mar SERE 2000 for my "strong man" needs, which I use infrequently ), if I were in the market, so to speak, I would certainly look closely at the Rat 1 folder. At about $60, I think one would be hard pressed to find a "better" built, heavy duty folder irregardless of it's country of origin.

These days I'm much more likely to spend my money on something like this :

- Cheers

I like natural material handles. Please tell me more about this beauty.
Cor

 

[J85909266]

Okay, that makes you the expert.

I never said I was an expert, I said you insulted a good company and used my own personal experience as a referrence point.

We get it, you like the knife. Drop your inflammatory tone.

 

[Cornelis Böhms]

I never said I was an expert, I said you insulted a good company and used my own personal experience as a referrence point.

We get it, you like the knife. Drop your inflammatory tone.

Since you have no experience with the RAT folder, you can't judge it....
Bud you do! Is it me with the inflammatory tone?!
I've told you that I own several Spyderco's and that I like them.
The only thing that I said about the SS models was that they sometimes
develop side to side bladeplay in a life of duty ( not abuse). I don't think that's insulting 'a good company', just a critical remark. No company is holy.

Best regards,
Cor

 

[J85909266]

I never once said anything bad about the Rat folder. Reread my posts. I said I didn't have to hold it to know it's not something I would want. I can see and read features about the knife that I don't like. I dont need to hold it. Now, if I were to call it a bad knife, which I never said, then yeah, I should probably handle it first.

Also, you backpeddled all the details, you original statement was, "It has no blade play, something you cannot say for a lot of Spydercos." That's an insulting remark that gives the impression that if a person buys a Spyderco, it's going to have bladeplay.

 

[Cornelis Böhms]

I never once said anything bad about the Rat folder. Reread my posts. I said I didn't have to hold it to know it's not something I would want. I can see and read features about the knife that I don't like. I dont need to hold it. Now, if I were to call it a bad knife, which I never said, then yeah, I should probably handle it first.

Also, you backpeddled all the details, you original statement was, "It has no blade play, something you cannot say for a lot of Spydercos." That's an insulting remark that gives the impression that if a person buys a Spyderco, it's going to have bladeplay.

I'm getting a bit tired trying to explain my point of view.
Again you come with the term "insulting remark".
Did I ever said that all Spydies have bladeplay?
Or are you an angry young man, trying to win a semantic discussion, and
alongside insulting me?

 

[dePaul]

Also, you backpeddled all the details, you original statement was, "It has no blade play, something you cannot say for a lot of Spydercos." That's an insulting remark that gives the impression that if a person buys a Spyderco, it's going to have bladeplay.

I have quite a few Spydies. Most of them are perfectly allright!

However, about a fifth display some kind of flaw. Normally it would be blade play, uneven grinds, uneven tips, blade touching liners, warped blades, bad blade centering, rough scales, gritty action and so on.

~Paul~