RAT-7 D2 or Ranger RD6?

I will pass on your kind words to Chad next time talk to him.

I actually only have a few seconds, so I will respond to the rest later, but a quick ????:

A proper ground 7" wood craft blade can have about 75% of the chopping ability of a GB Wildlife hatchet (on small woods that it can clear chips) and cut similar to a Deerhunter on carving woods.

Could you please list example sof which knives being made today have 75% of the choping power of the GB Hatchet with light cutting ability on par with a Deerhunter?

What are the blade and edge profiles run at?

Links and pics would be great.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
I have not handled a lot of them, but Kirks's are not ultra-fragile

Nor are any of the one's I've used, but--like the GB axes, they're specialized for a particular type of work, as you say; and they do it very well.

I think it is fine, and even necessary for people to discuss preferences, as it allows others to find better blades for them by finding people with similar preferences.
I'm all for discussing preferences, but it can be done without dismissiveness and derogation. I'm far more moved by why some likes this knife than why they don't like another knife.
 
while there is a great deal about the history of the RAT's there is little about the others.

Because it was a review of the RAT-7, not those other knives, They were given a brief aside for comparison purposes based on opinion and preference.

Re: DEET
Yes, you can get 100% with no problem.
 
knifetester said:
Because it was a review of the RAT-7 ...

Yes, however when you bring in other designs and make judgements the makers should get the same level of respect in regards to perspective. Now if you are just using them for aspect illustration it is different, but even then you have to be careful.

For example in a review of a Deerhunter if a Boye hunter was used to illustrate the drawback of thicker stock and you didn't note its advantages it allows for a ready misinterpretation even if you were not actually commenting on the design directly.

The above goes further and judges a design based on a misrepresentation of its intentions and the makers tests which Busse has publically discussed many times and are in opposition to the viewpoint given.

knifetester said:
I will pass on your kind words to Chad next time talk to him.

We have talked many times, the above is nothing new. He has my email. If he wants to debate it, or anything else I have said in public he can always find me on rec.knives. It is not moderated so anything goes.

What are the blade and edge profiles run at?

Seven inch blade, two inches wide, tapered tang, full flat grind, edge at 0.025, ground at 15 degrees per side. Essentially just a shortened version of something that Kirk would run as an cutting competition blade. That is my personal edge, about as thin as I would go and still feel comfortable on bad wood. Trim it down if you are more skilled, or restricted on woods.

Chopping ability is of course heavily dependent on wood type, the 75% is an average focused on medium density woods like spruce and sizes efficiently used for shelter and fire. On really hard woods the blade will be better as the GB profiles are optomized for soft woods. The GB axes for example don't work as well on stock lumber as ABS bowies but are much more fluid in a piece of fresh pine.

On really large woods the blade will fall off as it stops being able to clear the wood due to lower penetration as more and more of the edge length makes contact, whereas the axe only ever "sees" its bit width in wood regardless of the wood size so it can handle larger wood readily, it essentially gets the same penetration on a 12" piece of pine as it does on a 3.5" (aside from the inherent hardness difference of the larger heartwood).

Specifically for example, a GB Wildlife hatchet will get 2" of bite on a 4" small pine stick and 2" into a 8" pine log just as readily and will thus just as easily knock the necessary size chips out of the bigger stick. A 10" bowie while making similar penetration on the smaller stick only gets about 1" deep into the 8" log, and won't clear chips wide enough to open the necessary notch width in a single v.

Of course there is another side, as always, the blade has an advantage on smaller and more lively wood. Taking down an Alder bush would be easier with the bowie and far more efficient, and that kind of work is actually really dangerous with an axe.

Of course you could easily make a 7" knife which had more chopping ability and fine cutting ability, just give it a handle and a half length grip and thus it could perform similar to a 10" bowie reach and heft wise and even have greater precision ability due to the more neutral balance in a forward grip. Busse is doing this with the Fusion grips, I think this starts to blur the defination of 7" knife though.

-Cliff
 
Took a well used HR, applied Lighter Fluid several times, enough so that it ran off. It just seemed to evaporate and not penetrate into the handle.

A final coat was applied until it was again running off and then the handle was exposed to open flame :

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/CliffStamp/flaming_rat.jpg

It make a poor barbeque as it only stays lit for about 15 s. I did it three times. There is no visible effect on the grip, it just gets warm.

I also did a five hour soak in 17% DEET, again fully coating it until it ran off. No effect except it now smells.

This is a very different material than Kraton.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Took a well used HR, applied Lighter Fluid several times, enough so that it ran off. It just seemed to evaporate and not penetrate into the handle.

A final coat was applied until it was again running off and then the handle was exposed to open flame :

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/CliffStamp/flaming_rat.jpg

It make a poor barbeque as it only stays lit for about 15 s. I did it three times. There is no visible effect on the grip, it just gets warm.

I also did a five hour soak in 17% DEET, again fully coating it until it ran off. No effect except it now smells.

This is a very different material than Kraton.

-Cliff

This must be the Famed FLUBBER material that was invented in Ohio in the early 90's. You gotta becarefull when throwing these knives as if you hit the handle the knife will come flying back at you at twice the speed.
 
Interesting. Thanks for the details. It seems that objections to therubbre handle are rather moot since it looks like SRKW has moved to Micarta handles, i.e. TAC line, Rat Daddy, Safari Skinner, etc. Is this correct?
 
All except the Ratweiler are limited runs. The standard line is still resprine. Basically it's all-terrain tire material (though more chemically inert) in a knife handle. Take a second and ask yourself how long kraton tires would last. ;)
 
The Micarta grips tend to be more complex in shape, the Safari Skinner's grip is far more versatile than the handle on the Howling Rat for example. However the Resiprene C does fully enclose the grip so is a temperature/current insulator and damps shock so has its advantages, especially in larger chopping knives.

My only real concern about handle durability/security is in temperature extremes, and in particular a very hot enviroment. It doesn't get much beyond cool here, but if you lived somewhere where metal actually gets hot enough to burn skin when left in direct sunlight I would be curious about the handle bond.

Cobalt said:
You gotta becarefull when throwing these knives as if you hit the handle the knife will come flying back at you at twice the speed.

Only if you have been drinking heavily.

-Cliff
 
It has been said by the Swamp/Busse people that 250 degrees F or a little more is about where the resiprine handles will start having trouble.
 
Thanks for the details, I think most people would be fairly uncomfortable by about that point, so the handle is likely durable enough temp wise.

-Cliff
 
It was brought up by a fireman over on the Swamp website forum in regards to the suitability of a Rat for his occupation. I seem to remember Eric saying that he may have come up with the ONE occupation that resiprine wasn't suited for. :D
 
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