Rat Cutlery ESEE 3 (RC3) and salt water fishing question.

rc3mil

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How do you think the RAT Cutlery ESEE 3 (RC3) would fare being used primarily as a salt water fishing knife? Getting wet and only being dried once back at the house. Lets say worse case scenario and the knife gets wet and bloody and doesnt get clean and dry and lubricated and gets left in the tackle box for a while?

Any other good fishing knife fixed blades you have experience with?
 
used primarily as a salt water fishing knife?

You might get away with it but 1095 and constant salt water is not a good mix. As suggested, look for good stainless. Salt water can chew up carbon steel.

Haven't tried the fixed blade Spyderco Aqua Salt but you can leave the H1 steel in saltwater for months.
 
You might get away with it but 1095 and constant salt water is not a good mix. As suggested, look for good stainless. Salt water can chew up carbon steel.

Haven't tried the fixed blade Spyderco Aqua Salt but you can leave the H1 steel in saltwater for months.

If you dont mind me asking, how does the H1 steel match up in performance to a 1095 carbon steel blade?
 
If you dont mind me asking, how does the H1 steel match up in performance to a 1095 carbon steel blade?

I haven't run any scientific tests but edge retention is in the AUS-8 / 10 range with off the charts stain resistance.

IIRC only one member got it his to rust, by leaving it in some pure chlorine.
 
If you dont mind me asking, how does the H1 steel match up in performance to a 1095 carbon steel blade?

the more its sharpened the harder it becomes which, if i understand it all correctly, will make it hold and edge longer after sharpening and use...
 
If you dont mind me asking, how does the H1 steel match up in performance to a 1095 carbon steel blade?


I have sharpened and used my Salt 1 plenty and would say that h1 is not close to the edge retention of my esee's 1095(just my experience).
 
When considering edge retention, you should consider that a 1095 blade will likely be affected greatly by the threat of rust thus affecting edge retention. It wouldn't be an appropriate comparison to consider 1095 performance in ideal circumstances when that's not what it'll be used in. If you're looking at years of use in a salt water environment, the cumulative affect of the environment on the steel should be considered when deciding what will perform "better" (eg, which will perform better in the 1st week, 6 months, 3 years, etc).
 
What did sea faring and coastal living folks do for centuries before anyone invented stainless steel.........
 
What did sea faring and coastal living folks do for centuries before anyone invented stainless steel.........

That doesn't say a lot. What have human been using for cutting for thousands of year before metal was invented? I surely don't see people using chipped rocks to cut these days :p

rc3mil, you definitely don't want to use a RC-3 for salt water application, picks a blade in Spyderco Salt series and you will be much happier
 
What did seafaring folks do before stainless? They sharpened their knives until they were slivers and used them until they were nubs or got lost. I expect they fought rust day in and day out.

The question it would seem to me, as noted by the OP, if I can presume to interpret, "If one could choose a saltwater fishing knife, would one choose one made of 1095 carbon steel"? I would not and here's why.

  • There are better options...not may better knives than the RC3, but better choices of knife and steel for saltwater fishing.
  • Fishing knives get lost...they fall in the drink and sink like rocks. You drop a knife in the woods, at least it doesn't go straight to Davy Jones' locker.
  • Fishing knives are exposed to corrosive stuff.
  • Fishing knives get tossed in wet places.
  • Fishing knives get covered with fish guts.
  • One does not need to baton anything when fishing.

If I were a salt water fisherman (which I'd love to be but sadly am not) I would get 10 stainless steel Mora's, Craftsmen or Clippers, for a total cash outlay of about $125. Get a Kydex sheath or just use their plastic ones and I'd be set. Probably get a good filet knife too...Mora makes them. Their stainless knives are razor sharp and easy to sharpen, and if one falls in the drink (which it will) just grab the next one.

Love the RC-3 bigtime but I would not take it on a fishing boat. If it can rust or fall overboard, it will.
 
Am I right that the purpose will be to gut fish? You really don't need the best edge holding for that. I agree with Josh that it's around Aus 8, which would be plenty good for that.
 
In my opinion, the RC-3 isn't really an ideal blade shape either. For working with fish, I find something with a narrower, more flexible blade to be much more versatile.
 
What did sea faring and coastal living folks do for centuries before anyone invented stainless steel.........

Sat around and wished somebody would invent a stainless steel blade......



Still, there's lots of commercial fishermen that use cheap 1095 to cut bait, constant use and a wash at the end probably holds off rust and corrosion. Leave it untouched for the weekend though and it's a mess.
 
I have and use a RC-3 but I don't think it would be the best option for salt water fishing. When have gone I used my SOG Seal Pup for salt water fishing. I really like the blade shape and the point on the blade for cleaning fish. It's easy to resharpen and holds a great edge. Plus as part of the official company's testing for the knife, it had to pass a 2 week salt water imursion test. Mine always performed well and I was never worried about it. If you get one be sure to get a Kydex sheath model. That will also help.

But hey, that's just my 2 cents.
 
Just spend 20 bucks on a little curved boning knife by Forschner/Dexter Russell/F Dick etc....I have been saltwater fishing for my whole life here in Hawaii and you know how things like to rust in a warm humid environment like what we have here.

Can cut bait, gut and filet your fish get covered in guts and it dont really matter. It aint rust proof, but it is stainless. Not a big investment and as good a steel as any for the purpose. The mora idea is good too, but I dont know if I'd buy 125$ worth of them. maybe 2 or 3.

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Similar discussion going on right now in the WSS forums. When I was spending much time in the saltwater in Florida, both recreating and working, I used a 5 inch Kabar USMC knife, made from slightly altered 1095 high carbon steel, the same as the RC3. I never used any sort of coating or treatment other than wiping the blade off and sticking it back in its sheath. It was roughed up in the sand, constantly exposed to humid salty air and never showed a speck of rust. The myth that 1095 readily rusts is akin only to the abuse and neglect of one's tools. It should suit your needs finely for saltwater fishing, it is a durable thin blade with a very sharp edge and a superb belly for cleaning fish. If you keep a mineral oil soaked rag in the kitchen your knife will be just fine. If it does show signs of rust, you can clean it off easily with a pass or two of 3m Scotchbrite pads that you can find at any hardware store for a dollar or two. If you are very particular about rust prevention, you can soak the blade in apple cidar vinegar for a few hours, forcing a solid patina over what few exposed portions of steel there are, which in turn will prevent any bad oxidation.
 
If you really want an ESEE3 that wont rust so easily, wait around a bit.

A 440c one is coming...
 
Thanks for all of your input on this. I have decided to go with a stainless steel blade as apposed to the RC-3. I have not decided which one though. Here comes the fun part :D
 
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