RAT RC-4 vs. BR Bravo-1

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Looking hard at getting one of these two for camping.
Note - I've already determined this is the size knife I want...9" overall.

RAT RC-4
Overall length: 9.0"
Blade length: 4.5"
Blade Width: 1.25"
Drop point blade style
Available in plain or partially serrated edge
Maximum thickness: .188"
1095 Carbon Steel, 57 Rc.
Removable lined Micarta handle slabs
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and...

Bark River Bravo-1
Overall Length:9.065 Inches
Blade Length:4.250 Inches
Blade Steel:A-2 @ 59 rc
Blade Thickness:.215 Inch
Weight:7.375 Ounces
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im a big rat fan i see the bravo as being a better whittler and the RC-4 as being tougher overall. the ksf sheaths are awesome ive yet to buy a RC-4 from anyone else and i now own 3.

id say there probably isnt anything hat you could do with bravo that you cant do wit the rat but there are almost certainly things the rat can do that the brkt couldnt such as batoning and th warranty is just so great i also like to support rat because the owners are such cool guys.

I think eiter way youd be happy but me ill take the rat and i suggest you do the same i think youl be glad you did.
 
The thumb ramp is a love or hate thing. I love it.

I've beat the piss out of my Bravo 1, and it holds an edge as well or better than any other knife I've owned. You can baton all day with it... not sure where anyone got the idea that you can't. And the warranty/customer service with Bark River is superb. If you damage it, you tell Mike and send it in... you'll either get it repaired or replaced. Period.

I'm not taking anything away from RAT, just clarifying that the Bravo 1 is a superb choice. BRKT gets a bad rap from some people here, but that's more because they dislike Mike Stewart than any issue with their products.

Here's a good comparison of a Bravo 2 and a RC 4, and the Bravo 1 is a better bushcraft knife than the Bravo 2 (in my opinion, anyway.) If it shows nothing else, it's that the Bravo series can take the same beating a RC 4 can http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/854714/tp/1/
 
The Bravo-1 knife was developed with the assistance of the U.S. Marine Corp Force Recon Training Unit. These folks bought a large number of knives on the commercial market and tested them without saying anything to any of the makers.

The Bark River was the only knife still in one piece and still sharp after all their testing.
 
The Bravo-1 knife was developed with the assistance of the U.S. Marine Corp Force Recon Training Unit. These folks bought a large number of knives on the commercial market and tested them without saying anything to any of the makers.

The Bark River was the only knife still in one piece and still sharp after all their testing.

1) RAT Cutlery wasn't yet created when these "tests" took place.

2) The only person privy to the results of these "tests" is apparently the owner of BRK&T.

3) The only place I've seen these "tests" mentioned is in ad copy for the Bravo-1 and in posts started by the owner of BRK&T.

4) The Bravo-1 doesn't have an N.S.N. that I've ever seen.

;)

I vote Rat

+1:thumbup:

Regards,
3G
 
I think it will come down to what's better in your hand and there's only one way to find that out!

2 winners there...
 
I vote the Bravo 1 because the RAT handles are too large for me, and becuse the BRKT is made of A2 tool steel.
 
Full disclosure - I'm a RAT Cutlery owner and not a BRKT owner. That said...

The RC-4 is a little less expensive and has a more simplified steel blade (1095) and purely practical design. The Bravo 1 is probably just as capable with a few more nice finishes thrown in (for a price). Pick the one that fits your budget better and you'll be happy. They both guarantee it!
 
Having owned both, I'll share my opinion.. They both have pros and cons, but they're mostly preferences. I find the handles on the Bravo1 to be a little slick, but it feels good in hand. I prefer handles with texture, and the RC knives have awesome micarta handles. But the RC4 took some time getting used to. Only after I worked with it, then i appreciated it. IMO, both of these knives won't fail you.
 
RAT and BRKT are my two favorite knife companies and I own both the RC-4 and the Bravo-1. I don't think you'll be disappointed buy either choice you make.

If you have large hands the Bravo handle might be a little more comfortable. It's contour fills the hand a bit more than the thinner RAT handles. That being said, the RC-4 has a slimmer profile and would probably be a better EDC.

Both the 1095 on the RAT and the A2 on the Barkie are super tough and easy to maintain steels. The RC-4 is flat ground with a beveled edge and the Bravo sports a full convex grind.

The RC-4 is a bit more affordable than the Bravo-1 but Bark River offers dozens of choices of handle materials so you can get one suits your style the best :)

The thumb ramp on the Bravo is a big turn off for some but if you don't like it, you can send the knife to the BRKT shop and they will grind it off for you.

Both knives are tough as nails and I would have no problem relying on either of in any situation. Both companies stand behind their product %100 and have excellent customer service.

Let us know what you decide!
 
+1 on the Bravo 1...

I've found A2 steel - at least on the Bravo 1 - to hold a much better edge than 1095. Not to say the RAT's 1095 is anything to sneeze at, but it's not quite as good IMO. Also the 1095 requires a little more maintenance since it can rust more easily. The A2 Bravo 1 can rust, but does have some chromium content so it is a lot more forgiving.

Personally I love the thumb ramp on the Bravo 1. You can either send it to BRKT as previously mentioned if you want it removed, or it is relatively easy to find a rampless one from a dealer if you so desire. The ergonomics of the handle are fantastic. It has a lot more grip to it than the shininess implies in pics. The RAT handles are still comfortable, but they can sometimes feel a little awkward with their slightly rectangular shape as compared to the Bravo 1's more rounded handle.

The standard sheath of the Bravo 1 is kydex. I find it to be adequate, but the RAT kydex is nicer. Both cases have to have more pressure than some kydex out there to retain the knife because they don't use hollow pins. RAT kydex also has a nicer finish. You showed the leather RAT sheath above, so if leather is your thing, I'd call it a wash. Although I don't have leather from either company so I can't say for sure on that one.

Recommendation: Bravo 1
 
I own the Bravo 1 and have the RC 4 on order. I think they are fairly similar knives overall. If you can afford it, get em both and you can just sell the one you like less. Alternatively you could keep them both and have a good back up blade (which I think is pretty important as you never know when zombies will attack and you may need it !).

A lot of people find the handle too slick on the bravo, personally I find the handle to be perfect--in fact it is the most comfortable hadle I have ever had on any knife i have ever handled. I also find it very secure and have no problems carving etc with it. Ive also used the knife for batoning quite a bit and it works very well. It has a suprisingly thick blade but cuts amazing due to the full convex edge. So far I have only stropped it to maintain a razor edge which is pretty nice with all the batoning i have done with her. (camping with it 4 or 5 times now I think). The only gripe i have is that the leather sheath (mine came with one anyways) is a little long and is a bit bulky when carried. Its not horrible but I notice it when hiking.

As mentioned earlier for edc I thin the rat is probably better due to the thinner profile. But for an edc fixie Id probably go for the izula just for its very compact size and light weight.
 
Bravo-1 :thumbup:.

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One of the most important points for me is the handle. I have both and the handle on the Bravo-1 wins hands down. It is superbly contoured, hand-filling, and works comfortably and securely in multiple grips over extended periods of time. While the handle on the RC4 used to feel too thin too me, I've come to discover that the width of the handle actually still provides you with a good working grip. However, if I had to pick, the Bravo-1 would be the one on my belt every time. As for the slickness, the micarta can be sanded down to increase grip, works well when wet. I personally haven't had too much trouble yet with the polished micarta handles, but I'm planning on sanding mine down soon anyway.

Others have already covered the steel, and I can't say I'm knowledgeable enough yet to detect significant differences in my normal use. It does seem that the A2 at 59RC holds an edge longer than the 1095 at 57RC, but that could be an artifact of me having used the Bravo-1 more. It could also be due to the different edges.

I'm a big fan of the convex grind on the Bravo. And the knife slices really well for being nearly a 1/4" thick. I'm a fan of convex edges in general, so I recently had my RC4 reprofiled with a convex edge. Haven't used it since it's been reprofiled, but I have heard that it really improves cutting performance - we'll see. It cut well before, but I didn't think it cut as well as my convexed blades, even the thicker Bravo.

As for the thumb-ramp, I'm one of those people that found the thumb-ramp just a bit annoying. I ordered my second Bravo-1 (in stainless) with the ramp removed, and I love it even more now. Actually sold my first A2 bravo, and kept this guy.

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I'm also not the hugest fan of coated blades, but it really does serve a function on the RC4. I like the aesthetics of the uncoated Bravo-1, and there's probably less friction in cuts due to the uncoated blade, but the coating on the RC4 doesn't bother me much. So that comes down to preference.

Einsteinjon brings up a great point about the sheath. The stock kydex sheath for the Bravo-1 really blew in my opinion, while the stock kydex sheath of the RAT rocks. The kydex sheath on the RAT is really excellent. If you end up with the Bravo-1, I'd advise you get the leather sheath if you're into leather, or have a kydex sheath made for it. Either way, keep in mind that it adds to the cost of the more expensive knife.

Lastly, I can't say I've been to hell and back with either knife yet, so I'm not recommending based on which is the "tougher" knife. I have an inkling that the Bravo-1 would be the last knife standing, but that could be just because it feels more substantial in hand. I can say that both knives would probably stand up to anything the average user can throw at them.

So, as taurn said, it usually comes down to preferences, since both knives are great. I started with the Bravo-1, and then later got a RAT. I prefer the Bravo-1, but I don't foresee myself selling my RC4 any time soon...in fact, my RC4 led me to purchase my Izula:).

In the end, you'll end up with both anyway. And a few others... :D So just pick the one that appeals to you the most right now.

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ETA: And just to throw this in the mix, in case you haven't considered it, take a look at the BRKT Gunny. I just got one, and it might replace the Bravo-1 at the top spot for a production fixed. The handle is quite a bit smaller though, so the jury is still out on it...:)
 
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I own a RC-4 and used to own a Bravo 1. The RC-4 is the more versatile knife, has a better handle set up, a better sheathing system whether kydex with tek-lok or kydex and MOLLE. The Bravo's kydex is second rate at best.

In use, I found the Bravo 1 to be too slippery in the hand, the thumb ramp was in the way more than useful, and the blade is too thick for optimal slicing, creating more of a wedging action than a a true slice. The Bravo 1 is capable of a tremendous edge, and the A2 is really well done, but in daily use, the RC-4 is better.
 
In the end, you'll end up with both anyway. And a few others... :D So just pick the one that appeals to you the most right now.



I think you're right.:thumbup:

I can always let my 17 year old son carry the "other" one that I'm not carrying. Besides, it IS good to have that backup for the Zombies.:D

Appreciate the input, Everyone. That's some great comparos and as I suspected they are pretty evenly matched knives.

Being a former Marine(skepticism aside as to the testing) I'm gonna go with the Bravo-1 first with the leather sheath hopefully. I like that traditional combo for camping.
 
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