RAT survival kit

My first impression is, looks a little expensive to me for what they are giving you. I will say it is possible that I am missing something.

Paul
 
must be a very expensive businesscard
lol

i dunno, it looked like a cool kit to me until i saw the price :/
 
We built these out, originally, for some folks working overseas. It's a kit that slips into a BDU / 5.11 style pocket to be carried all the time in case they have to bail out and move quickly, be it in the middle of a city street, from a hotel room in the middle of the night, or in the middle of the wilds. Some folks that are carrying them have added other small tools such as a lock pick & tension tool, mini glass breaker and cammo face paint, as well as some rolled up cash in one of the small plastic vials. The tools in the kit are high quality. For example the SAS wire saw is the original wire saw and not a copy that sells for 2 bucks (I've thrown away my share of useless wire saws). The Heamostatic gauze itself costs 4 bucks. This is not a simple pocket wilderness survival kit, instead it's driven more towards E&E. As a side note, just about everyone who is using one of our kits is also integrating a Kwikpoint translator in with the kit so that in itself tells me that most of them are headed overseas.
 
That's a nice kit. My urban survival kit includes a Beretta 92 with three mags of Corbons.
 
Horn Dog said:
That's a nice kit. My urban survival kit includes a Beretta 92 with three mags of Corbons.
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You bet HD. My urban every day carry is a Model 27 Glock. It goes on the minute a slip into my pants in the morning and stays there until I take them off at night.
 
R.A.T. said:
...other small tools such as a lock pick & tension tool, mini glass breaker and cammo face paint, as well as some rolled up cash in one of the small plastic vials.
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Oh hell, you can get more than one lockpick in there. ;)

Nice kit.

Great Dogtag and thanks for shipping it so quick!
 
R.A.T. said:
Some folks that are carrying them have added other small tools such as a lock pick & tension tool, mini glass breaker and cammo face paint, as well as some rolled up cash in one of the small plastic vials.
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hahaha looks like u don't need that rolled up cash if u got those xtras


jk
 
That's the point of the kit. In an escape/evasion survival situation the person should have the options/tools to steal if necessary or break into places he otherwise shouldn't be. He should also be able to take the tools and improvise whatever may be required to effectively use any other tools in conjunction with his kit. When we started down the path of E&E / Survival pocket kits, we did a lot of research. One of the better books we studied on the subject was MiG Pilot Survival - Russian Aircrew Survival Equipment and Instruction. We also had a lot of communication with SERE instructors. While this kit is no where near everything I would like to have in a real situation, it's still small enough to keep with you at all times when beating the streets/bushes of Third World, and still give you an advantage when coupled with your surroundings or other tools of the trade.
 
For aircrew survival, anything that is not attached to you is baggage, even in general aviation. A small kit like this or an Altoids tin kit with a knife on your belt like an F1 is a heck of a lot better than the perfect survival kit you must abandoned in a burning aircraft. Yes, I have the day pack kit with sleeping bag, stove, water filter, etc in the plane but I want some things on my person because often fires are associated with plane crashes and getting you stuff out may be impossible.

In fact after really thinking about this again, I'm getting a shoulder holser for my pistol instead of leaving in the flight bag or survival kit, especially when flying in the Rockies.
 
R.A.T. said:
That's the point of the kit. In an escape/evasion survival situation the person should have the options/tools to steal if necessary or break into places he otherwise shouldn't be. He should also be able to take the tools and improvise whatever may be required to effectively use any other tools in conjunction with his kit. When we started down the path of E&E / Survival pocket kits, we did a lot of research. One of the better books we studied on the subject was MiG Pilot Survival - Russian Aircrew Survival Equipment and Instruction. We also had a lot of communication with SERE instructors. While this kit is no where near everything I would like to have in a real situation, it's still small enough to keep with you at all times when beating the streets/bushes of Third World, and still give you an advantage when coupled with your surroundings or other tools of the trade.
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offcourse, my fault
Guess i wasnt thinking survival enough, where everything truly is allowed
 
Well when I look at my small kits there is probably over $100 worth of stuff in them. I didnt see a water container, is there one??
 
A neat kit indeed! I bet it would be quite useful over pro-longed periods.
 
IMO, that's not a bad price for all you get. Some other ready made kits cost 30 bucks and you get less then half the stuff that's in this kit.
Scott
 
hwtsauer said:
looks like one of the better commercial kits for out door survival.
What are your thoughts??
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R.A.T. said:
...This is not a simple pocket wilderness survival kit, instead it's driven more towards E&E....
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R.A.T. said:
That's the point of the kit. In an escape/evasion survival situation....
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Jeff's statements make clear that the kit has a very specific E&E orientation, and looking at the kit also makes this clear. That's by no means a bad thing, if it is appropriate to your needs; however, from a strictly emergency wilderness survival perspective, for those of us that don't harbor concerns about hostile territory and E&E, I think the kit is pretty good, but not great. There's stuff that I would do differently, and better, within the same price range and same size limitations, if strictly oriented toward outdoors survival.
 
It looks like quality stuff in the kit. I would pack a better pain reliever than asprin. I keep four 30 mg Tylex (Tylenol w/ codene) in case I have to walk through a serious sprain or other non-life threatening injury that could slow me down. I also keep several small commercially sealed foil flats of KMnO4. It is hard to use for purifying water (one possible use) but it is a first rate fungicide for treating bad foot or jock rot and it takes up no space at all in a PSK. On the subject of feet, the bottom of my tin is lined with a sheet of moleskin to treat blisters. Feet are important.

I also keep several waterproofed packets of salt in my PSK. Here in the tropics it makes a big difference sometimes to down a salt packet or two, eat some sugar and drink most of a canteen. Sort of a poor mans rehydration mix. The water purification tablets are a good idea. I use Clor-in1 (one tablet per liter) made here in Brazil.

As tinder goes the wetfire is great stuff as long as the wrapper stays intact. Once the wrapper is opened or gets pinholes in it the stuff starts to degrade. Not that its a bad product, it isn't. Like many other things, items in a PSK can go bad over time and you need to stay on top of their shelf life. I've replaced my PSK tinder with ordinary PJ treated cotton as it will last a hundred years with no problems.

Immodium is good stuff, you can't run with the runs! If you have diarhea but find you still blend in with the crowd then you need a new crowd.

I'd like to get a look at the survival instruction sheet to see what it includes.

Keep in mind with a kit like this that alot of thought and research goes into the items selected and they have to be gathered from all sorts of suppliers. It is one thing to do it on your own and slowly collect items and evolve a kit that works for you and another entirely to offer one for sale to the people most likely to use them in a wide variety of areas.

I like the fact that it can be added to or items can be deleted or exchanged to tailor the kit to the individual and his cuircumstances. Mac

ETA - I understand you can't sell a commercial kit with "black lable" pain relief included. I only offer that as a suggestion for modifying it after purchase.
 
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