Rat Trap & Swamp Rat - first impression

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Received my Rat Trap LE #63 today via USPS, crikey I’ve been waiting for this one to arrive, waiting, waiting, in eager anticipation, since they hit the pre-sale market in late September 04. This basic review on the Rat Trap and the Swamp Rat Knife Co is strictly a collection of my first impressions, based and biased by my personal requirements, likes and dislikes. This is my first purchase from Swamp Rat.

Likes:

Blade Shape and grinds – Flat ground, wide bellied with a nice fine tip. Not Spyderco sharp out of the box, shaves but not scary, took a tickle up on the Sharpmaker to bring it up to my expectations. An excellent slicer and seems ideally suited to my EDC requirements. Primary edge angle set at just under 40 degrees and will take some work to reprofile to a 30 degree primary to work in with the Sharpmaker.

Handle – Nice grippy G10, same texture as my Manix and Paramilitary, thin in width, yet deep and contoured to fill my hand. I feel the grip, in my hand, makes the Rat Trap better suited to slicing than stabbing. Stabbing is not a prerequisite of mine so this is not an issue for me.

Handle to Blade Ratio – Excellent, the Rat Trap maximizes the length of cutting surface available, nearly half an inch more edge than the Manix, which I consider big.

Smoothness of opening – Silky smooth straight out of the box and should only get better, if this is possible. The oval hole allows easy, fast and controlled one handed opening.

Pocket Clip position – Tip down and positioned high up the scales, reversible but not tip up. This is one of the main reasons for my purchase, this large folder hides inside my pocket, the matt black clip doesn’t seek attention.

Carry Comfort – Surprisingly good for a knife this size, I like to carry my main EDC clipped to the inside of my pants or jeans, with the clip predominately hidden from view by my belt. That’s were its been all day and I haven’t noticed it their, a real pleasure to carry, no rough edges or sharp corners to grab you.

Weight – Quite light for such a large folder, yet still feeling solid enough to effectively perform the duties I require from a folder.

Fit and Finnish – Blade centres in the middle, the liners are recessed flush into the G10 slabs. The edges are nicely rounded off. Simple, not fancy, but effective ( a bit like myself ).

Carry Case – Arrived in a wool lined soft carry pouch, like a sunglass case, a nice touch.

Dislikes:

Thinness of liner lock – This is probably just a personal observation but the liner lock thickness seems on the thin side. Only time will tell if this has any bearing on the performance of the locking system, for my usage I doubt it will cause a problem. Those who put their folders through spine wacks and white knuckling tests will possibly have concerns.

Warrantee – This is yet to be confirmed. Swamp Rats unconditional warrantee on their fixed blades was part of my decision to buy the Rat Trap. If amendments are going to be made, and probably will be, it would have been a more thoughtful for them to state this prior to sale.

Lack of communication – I think Swamp Rat would only enhance their outstanding reputation by increasing their correspondence with their customers, keeping them informed as to delays, despatch dates or postage tracking numbers. It is wrong of me to expect a manufacturer to provide the same degree of service as a retailer, and by dealing direct with the end user helps keep their pricing to a minimum, but a little more correspondence would be nice.

Postage and Handling cost – A set fee of $25.00 for a parcel that cost $8.60 to post is a bit steep, I am sure SR have their reasons for this, but I still feel this is a little too much when compared to many other companies that I have purchased from.

Conclusion:
After the long wait, I am more than pleased with my Rat Trap. I paid the extra $10.00 to obtain a numbered LE model, so if I was not totally satisfied, I could always sell or trade with little effort. This is an excellent, large EDC folding knife, good value for the price paid and a knife that will be a pleasure to use for many years to come. Please excuse my lack of concise information contained in this review, it is really just a brief summation of my personal views after 24 hours of taking ownership.

Congratulations Swamp Rat on producing your first folder, hopefully the Rat Trap will compliment your range of exceptional products and I look forward to my next purchase from your company.
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A very nice and honest review, well done. I hope they will come out with a tip up carry option on later production models.
 
Excellent review, Stockman!

TIR,

The clip might not change from ambi tip-down for a long while. Mrs. Busse and Mr. Isaacson said that they couldn't make a 'jump-safe' folder that was tip-up. Well, there's alway SC_Rebel1957 when you need someone to fix an oversight to an otherwise great knife.
 
25.00 for shipping! Those knives must come in some sweet cardboard with some really nice stamps.
 
Well done review, stockman!

Thank You.

Any chance of pics of the lock side, opened position?
Tom
 
Is this what you are looking for Tom?
Thanks all for the kind words on my first review.
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That's the ticket!
Thanks, Stockman.
Looks to be on the leaner side of what I see round and about. Looks to be ~ 25% of the blade area.

Hello , I'm Tom and I'm a spine whacker!
I have the scars to prove it :)

Tom
 
TOB9595 said:
Hello , I'm Tom and I'm a spine whacker!
I have the scars to prove it :)

Tom

That's not the only thing I hear you whack, I hope you don't have any scars from that though. LOL.

I just may have to get one and have the clip modified, though I will wait until I read the official wording on the warranty from the Swamp. I guess I figured if Strider could make a jump safe tip up carry knife the Swamp would to, BUT there is a huge price difference so I am probably asking too much.
 
Very nice review. I consider getting a Rat Trap myself, I just wish they would offer a version that sports their crinkled coating.
 
And I thought Greco was making a killing on his $15.00 shipping charges for a folder. :o

Is that what their shipping is on the whole line, Battle Rat, Camp Tramp, etc?

KS
 
Just to clarify the shipping cost, this charge is to send to Australia, the other side of the world - My general point was the difference between the actual cost of the postage and the charge from SR. When purchasing through other online dealers, the postage and handling fee is normaly not much more than the actual postage fee.
I have no grounds to complain as this charge is clearly noted on the ordering form - I just don't like it, thus appeared in my "Dislikes".
 
Stockman, it's understandable that the $25 shipping made it into your dislikes!

I often wonder what the problem is with business's shipping over the water. I think the high costs, some won't ship overseas at all, may be due to some internal insurance....But I don't have a clue...
If I ordered something and it didn't make it to me..I'd raise cane and press for them to send me another one at no charge.

Does anyone know why the high overseas shipping costs?
Swamp Rat is not alone in high overseas ship costs. Some, I've heard, charge even more.
Tom
 
Stockman said:
....... An excellent slicer and seems ideally suited to my EDC requirements. Primary edge angle set at just under 40 degrees and will take some work to reprofile to a 30 degree primary to work in with the Sharpmaker.
I was also wondering why you're taking it to a 15 degree instead of using the 20 degree on the sharpmaker.
Many folk like a 15 degree edge for heavier cutting tasks.
Tom
 
TOB9595 said:
Does anyone know why the high overseas shipping costs?
Swamp Rat is not alone in high overseas ship costs. Some, I've heard, charge even more.
Tom
It is a strange thing. As long as the cost is clearly shown you do, of course, have the choice not to buy but why charge such high costs in the first place? Just because you can? If you don't like shipping overseas, fine, don't do it, many companies don't. If you are prepared to do it then why overcharge people? Maybe there is some reason I don't know about.
 
Gday Tom,
Have just found that the more accute angle performs noticably better in all slicing duties and these better steels, S30V, M2 etc seem to take this edge without chipping or sacrificing much edge retention. My primary requirement for a folder is for slicing and as I don't require them to do any chopping, prying or stabbing work, 30 deg works best.
These days, I only use the 40's on my kitchen knives and cheaper blades.
 
Stockman
I appreciate your review. Good Job! The Manix looks like a good deal too. I have one of the new paramilies, and while I like it, the Manix looks very strong with the back lock. Look foward to more of your experiences. I wonder how they compare in terms of edge holding(the Manix and SR)
Thanks
Luke
 
Gday Luke,
The Manix is a real value knife, big, solid and great in the hand - maybe a touch large for an EDC if you are trying to be discreet. Side by side, The SR is bigger, but the Manix has much more bulk and weight.
Edge holding will be interesting, I have spent quite some time now with the rat trap on the sharpmaker, trying to reprofile the primary bevel to 30 degrees. To me, it feels a lot harder than the spyderco S30V eqivelents, probably been heat treated to a higher rockwell level. Swamp Rat seem to have a reputation for doing remarkable things with their treatment of steal - time will tell if they have mastered S30V.
 
Sorry I didn't look at your location first but $25.00 still seems really high for something as small as a folding knife. I have sent and received similar sized items from Germany and Great Britain for much less. I wonder if it is some type of insurance coverage.

KS
 
Here in Europe we have to purchase SR knives from their outlet in Germany, and costs are quiet high compared to what it would be even making it shipped from the US... imagine we have to pay 169 euros to get one, that makes roughly US$230, I will never buy anything from SRKW at those rates, I would better buy custom made knives for that!

Xavier.
 
I'll probably catch flack for this post, but the overall thickness of the liner is not that important in the overall scheme of things. In fact, a heavy liner can be an illusion of strength if the overall lock design is not right. I've had folders with a liner larger than .060 thick fail by simple hand pressure. What is important on locking folders is the "triangle" of physics that exists between the stop pin, the pivot pin, and the lock. The wider you separate this triangle the more "heavy duty" the folder becomes. The Rat Trap has a pretty large "triangle" to it. The next important feature is the mate between the liner and the blade in locked position. If you get all of that right and have the right angle on the mate as well as the overall liner, the thickness of the liner becomes WAY less important. True, you could get something too thin and it would buckle, but from what I've seen the Rat Trap doesn't have this problem.

As for "heavy duty" abuse, how many times are you going to be taking a folder and batoning it through a sapling? I've done this testing knives before and it typically loosens the mechanism of any liner lock folder, regardless of the overall liner thickness.

I handled one of the Rat Traps at Knob Creek and I wouldn't be scared to take it anywhere. It's a damn fine folder in my opinion with good ergonomics, strength, and comfort built in.

Jeff Randall
 
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