ray mears fig 4

i think that variation is called the dead-drop. i could be mistaken though. cool trap though, thanks for the link.
 
Looks cool, avoids the problem survivorman had once, the main upright caught the rock from falling.
 
I am gonna make one tomorrow..looks like a functional and easy one to use. Gene
 
That is a good very simple variation. The problem with many traps and triggers shown in books and on shows is that their complexity makes them very difficult to remember how to build them without conastant poractice. It also makes them difficult to build when hypothermic or weak from hunger etc as would be likely in a real survival situation. The simpler the better and that one fits.
 
wildmike said:
That is a good very simple variation. The problem with many traps and triggers shown in books and on shows is that their complexity makes them very difficult to remember how to build them without conastant poractice. It also makes them difficult to build when hypothermic or weak from hunger etc as would be likely in a real survival situation. The simpler the better and that one fits.
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Hey wildmike, you're right, the simpler the better, unless it sacrifices some benefit, like sensitivity or speed, etc.

You're also right that it is difficult to remember some of these things without constant practice, but I would hope that the members here, with their focus being on wilderness skills and survival would practice regularly enough to be able to construct the traps, snares and everything else that's applicable. Not only being beneficial to remembering the set ups, it's a lot of fun and by doing it on a regular basis, new things are learned.

Having said that, I do think that memory aids are useful, such as the cheat sheet thread.

I don't think it's necessary to learn 30 or 40 trap set-ups any more than it is to learn 30 or 40 knots. Find one or 2 in each category (deadfall, drowning, lifting pole snare, etc.) that works for you and practice these every once in awhile, so that if and when the time comes.................

Doc (master of the run-on sentence, and apparently, old curmudgeon :()
 
DOC-CANADA said:
Hey wildmike, you're right, the simpler the better, unless it sacrifices some benefit, like sensitivity or speed, etc.

You're also right that it is difficult to remember some of these things without constant practice, but I would hope that the members here, with their focus being on wilderness skills and survival would practice regularly enough to be able to construct the traps, snares and everything else that's applicable. Not only being beneficial to remembering the set ups, it's a lot of fun and by doing it on a regular basis, new things are learned.

Having said that, I do think that memory aids are useful, such as the cheat sheet thread.

I don't think it's necessary to learn 30 or 40 trap set-ups any more than it is to learn 30 or 40 knots. Find one or 2 in each category (deadfall, drowning, lifting pole snare, etc.) that works for you and practice these every once in awhile, so that if and when the time comes.................

Doc (master of the run-on sentence, and apparently, old curmudgeon :()
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DOC, do you happen to have a link to a drowning trap? i havent ever seen any plans for one.
 
BarberFobic1992 said:
DOC, do you happen to have a link to a drowning trap? i havent ever seen any plans for one.
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I'm still haven't found a link, but what it can be, is like a deadfall. When the critter enters the snare and pulls on it, it trips the deadfall, but instead of the deadfall being above the critter and falling on the critter, the weight falls in the water, pulling the critter with it, and drowns the critter. The deadfall is not situated above the critter but rather off to one side, like on the edge of a bank.

If I can't find a link, I'll do a drawing.

I guess using a drowning trap trigger wasn't the best example, but it came to mind when I was posting. :rolleyes:

Doc
 
w00d said:
My favorite trap is the Paiute deadfall (as used by the Paiute indians) because it doesn't require a knife to make, and it's far more sensitive than the figure four. This video shows how to make it without any tools: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTCQHhWaFBE
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That is a GREAT video - but where do you put the bait that insures they trip the stick? On the figure four - you put it on the end of the stick - do you simply put it under the bait stick on the Paiute deadfall?

TF
 
Good question on where to put the bait...I'm also wondering where the back end of the trigger stick rests...is it against the rock or at the rock/ ground interface? I guess as long as the trigger stick has room to move so the toggle is released it might not matter, but clarification would be welcomed.
 
Isn't there also a simplified variation of the figure-4 trap, which uses a piece of cord in place of one of the sticks?
 
The trigger stick rests by friction against the rock. The bait can be placed on the stick (very carefully) or next to it. Since the trap is so sensitive the trigger just has to be brushed against. I've never used the trap to actually trap something since that would be illegal except in a survival situation and I didn't need to kill anything anyway. But I have made them for practice.
 
Here are some stills from the video:



Here is the trap set in tree with wild mushroom bait:

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I like this one, nice and simple.
 
naked said:
Sweet. Ray Mears is my favorite bush-video guy.
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Ron Hood is mine, by a long shot. But Mears is the real deal too. I just don't understand why Discovery didn't hire a competent guy like Hood or Mears instead of Grylli Vanilli. (Hood started out as an adviser on Idiot vs. Hotel but left when he saw what the produces wanted.)
 
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