Ray Mears vs Bear Grylls

Who is a better survivalist? plus knife input

  • Bear Grylls

    Votes: 1 100.0%
  • Ray Mears

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    1
I've never seen a poll before.... I tried to find one here on bladeforums so forgive me if I just missed it....

Realy? I've seen a few, on here and pretty much every BC/Suvival forum i've visited - probably more over here 'cause they are both british but

the whole Bear V Les V Ray V Cody V Dave et al is basic bushcraft/survival forum fodder

It usually turns into a fan boy faceoff and never amounts to anything useful :rolleyes:
 
I agree morale is important but that doesn't trump all the stupid things he does. You can laugh all you want as he leads you to your death. Bear is a thrill seeker and in doing his stunts he's acquired some skills but no more then anyone else who's an adrenaline junky doing the same things. However, I wouldn't pick Mears either. I don't try to craft the perfect tent pegs when I'm camping all relaxed. I'm sure as heck not going to start in a survival situation.
I guess we are damned by the construction of the parameters of the question. If I'm drowning I want the RNLI, on fire send for a fireman, and so on. As we are damned to pick between either of those two the best I can come up with is to strip out that halo-effect as best I can rather than just extrapolate from some TV show. I'd approach it the same way if my two potential savours were Ann Widdecombe and Sarah Palin. It would be a ghastly choice for sure but I'd be wanting to know which knew first aid, which could swim better, which was the fittest and so on. All that TV spin-doctor veneer that the common pleb is interested in them for is largely irrelevant to me. All I want to know is which has the CV that is likely to contain the most relevant stuff, all the rest is binned off. I'm not claiming I have the right answer, it's a punt and pity the fool that doesn't recognise the gamble, but here lay the best answer for me. If I had a crisis in a macramé class I'd probably gamble differently. :)
 
Don´t know both personally, but i like Ray´s attitude to live with nature much more than Bear´s battling against nature.

Happy new year from germany,

Andre

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I agree 100%. As to battling lyme disease, it's killer that he even gets out to attempt this stuff. I didn't know he had it. That gives me even more respect for the guy.

Maybe this thread could be decided with a chopoff between the Grylls and the Mears parangs :D
 
Word.

Even in a survival situation, I'd rather have Mears. His knowledge is deeper than you know, and I'm sure he knows a few tried-and-true techniques to survive... and survive in comfort, the traditional way, the way primitive societies have been doing it for thousands of years. Just one example: to clean drinking water if you can't start a fire, Mears showed me how to use Spaghnum moss and peat. If you've got charcoal, that's par for the course. You can filter water that way and drink it. If you have no time, you can squeeze the peat till it runs clear and the water is usually clean.

Bear Grylls? He told me to piss in my own mouth. No.
 
You do forget the seagull poop and rainwater enema.
When we're dealing with a witness that claims he can dowse for water I don't think we're dealing with someone that is fit to judge anyone. That is clearly a low credibility witness with a testimony even rookies should dismiss. Here's a brainteaser for you – have you ever seen Mears or any of the other popular TV gurus out with the dowsing wands, or ever seen them in a serious survival kit, or even employed in a third world country where they often suffer deaths from drought? How you could have the unbridled timerity to cast aspersions at Grylls methods of emergency rehydration is frankly stunningly ludicrous.
 
Word.Even in a survival situation, I'd rather have Mears. His knowledge is deeper than you know, and I'm sure he knows a few tried-and-true techniques to survive... and survive in comfort, the traditional way, the way primitive societies have been doing it for thousands of years. Just one example: to clean drinking water if you can't start a fire, Mears showed me how to use Spaghnum moss and peat. If you've got charcoal, that's par for the course. You can filter water that way and drink it. If you have no time, you can squeeze the peat till it runs clear and the water is usually clean.Bear Grylls? He told me to piss in my own mouth. No.
I respect your preference but not your reasoning. “His knowledge is deeper than you know....”, and you don't think that applies to Grylls too? You learned something pretty darn basic from a TV show, w00t. That's a technique most of us have known for decades. In a different TV show a guy shows a different technique, and that's all he knows? If you went and trained with the RMC down and Lympstone and they showed you how to procure good water with a bit of old rope would you conclude the DS were inferior to those in some pissant unit 'cos their instructors showed how to make a solar still from an old coke bottle? I'm not completely certain you would. …....................... As for the disgust sensitivity stuff – Grylls may also clue you in that on “hard routine” when you've crapped in a bag you can poke it down your jacket for a bit as a hot water bottle. I'm sure many people would mock that too because it is revolting and tips most people over their disgust sensitivity threshold. It also happens to work.....................................As for the primitive society stuff; do you really believe that people which are likely to be in peril do much of their learning from a celebrity doing Time Team on the TV. Do you think people get trained with much of that paleo-retro stuff as a priority? Nah, of course not. They get taught solid core stuff, probably including your moss thing, first aid, and other essentials as a priority. Nobody gives a hoot that in Alaska they called what we call a herb chopper an ulu, that's for the bonus points only. They're too busy out learning to run with their mate over their shoulder 'cos that is more likely to be useful in a real world survival situation. As I said, in most likely survival scenarios that stuff Mears does on his shows has no relevance at all. One would do better to get some medical training, some basic rope skills, and so forth, and of course increasing their personal fitness than learning how to carve a spoon. And of course Grylls can do all that too..................................I think the best parallel I can close with here would be if my car broke and I had the choice of two mechanics. One of them turns up very quickly, solves the problem, and I'm able to move on. The other mechanic turns up hours later, works slower, but also knows how to translate the manual into Latin and how to shoe a horse. Both can fix my car. I know which one I'm likely to gamble on when I make the call. If I lived in Mongolia my gamble might be different.
 
Right, after that clown wool thread with it's still unanswered questions, and now this thread is destined for the dung pile, I'm going to do something more interesting for a bit. I think the kids go back to school in a couple of weeks so I'll look in again then. Toodles.
 
I think that recognition of the two very different approaches for survival is pivotal starting point for me..................................... Whereas Mears focuses on a lot of retro stuff, and indeed it can be interesting, little pertains to what I think of as likely survival scenarios for me. True, the wild foods stuff could be useful, and perhaps some medicinal plant knowledge, but a lot of it for me is just like the Paleo-learners forums – interesting for it's own sake but not much beyond that unless I invoke one of those BS end of the world just missed us and we need to start farming from scratch things. I don't think there's anything wrong with that in fact I found this stuff interesting. And I'm sure the same as many of you I enjoyed making bows and arrows when I was small and tanning skins and all that. In fact mah woman still has a fur quiver I made full of porcupine quills I turned into dip-in pens. So I'm not knocking Mears and what he is into when he does his thing, I just think it pales in comparison to Grylls who comes across as much more progressive and up to speed with modern techniques and gear.............................. In realistic survival scenarios to me; plain crashed whilst on holiday, boat starts to sink, up a mountain and either me, or my mate, or both are hurt, I'd want the progressive guy next to me................................ Beyond that there is plain 'character', and whilst I don't know either of them personally one of them always comes across as upbeat and in good humour. I require that in a team mate. Grylls seems to manage that whether he is out with a party of young scouts or even with wilfully obstructive celebrities, as he was yesterday when he was out with Johnathon Ross – a show in which Ross had began with a claim that he was going to show him who the daddy was and Grylls would soon be relegated to beta. Result, they had a chuckle. And that pattern repeats. By contrast Mears has turned up on an afternoon TV book reading thing a whole bunch and he comes across as just plain dull. Same when they barrow him on to some of the many TV cooking shows. That's all well and good I suppose, and there is some merit in the idea of sleeping through a bore, but on balance I prefer folk that have skills at keeping team moral high. In short, if I'm stuck down a cave send down Grylls with some proper SRT gear and a sandwich and leave Mears at the top making a rope of nettles and humming kumbaya with a birch bark anything.

I disagree, Mears may be a bore, but nothing raises morale like a nice hot meal. Which would it be? The braised skunk liver fetched from a 3 day old piece of roadkill washed down with your own P*ss? Or the lobster cooked in seaweed on a bed of Samphire with acorn bread and a sorrel and pine nut salad?
The other reason why I prefer Ray is the "Respect nature, leave nothing but footprints" approach he has compared to the "Oh wow! A palm tree, millionaires salad coming up!" of Bear.
People trying to emulate Ray are less likely to "sterilise" the hostile environment they take themselves off to.
 
Right, after that clown wool thread with it's still unanswered questions, and now this thread is destined for the dung pile, I'm going to do something more interesting for a bit. I think the kids go back to school in a couple of weeks so I'll look in again then. Toodles.

Seriously? So a thread is destined for the "dung pile" because people disagree with you?
 
When we're dealing with a witness that claims he can dowse for water I don't think we're dealing with someone that is fit to judge anyone. That is clearly a low credibility witness with a testimony even rookies should dismiss. Here's a brainteaser for you – have you ever seen Mears or any of the other popular TV gurus out with the dowsing wands, or ever seen them in a serious survival kit, or even employed in a third world country where they often suffer deaths from drought? How you could have the unbridled timerity to cast aspersions at Grylls methods of emergency rehydration is frankly stunningly ludicrous.

I don't know you from Adam's off ox, but I would not presume that your opinion is completely worthless because I don't agree with you on an entirely different subject. However, your attitude is quite telling. Enjoy you urine cocktail with your personal hero.
 
There are both proffesionals
Which means they are making good money at this

It is very funny that Mears calls Grylls a Boy Scout

That the Scout Association choose Grylls as the Chief Scout say a lot about his popular appeal and how he helps get more kids into scouting
And bottom line that is what we want to get kids into the Great Outdoors
His branded kit is decently priced, with or without the hype
But represent a piece of kit that will hold up but not forever

Also what is very funny that Mears calls Grylls a Boy Scout

Mears is like an archtypical Scout Master from bygone years
Methodical teaching of skills
Safety, and how to use your equipment well
The Woodcraft skills that we were taught 40+ years ago
The real respect of other cultures and their holding on to skills that we could not even imagine and can learn from them
But his kit is superb but exlusive and very expensive

So both appeal to different types of hype

And Mears is much closer to my style, so I enjoy him more
 
Hilarious, Ray Mears does a series of exceptional investigations on wild foods of his native lands and he's criticized for being a gourmand! I believe Ray is at ease in the natural environment, he is living and seeking, not just surviving. That is the message. Maybe its a false impression but I usually feel that Ray is sad to leave the places he sets up his hammock, he is hardly phased by his immersions in nature, quite the contrary, it seems to enlighten him. The message some of us understand is that nature is a library of knowledge for us to decifer, to respect it but not just fear it abjectly. Bear appears to struggle against it as previously stated, and uses extreme methods to effect escape from its harshness. Two different approaches, for certain, both have validity. I am a huge fan of Mears if you couldn't tell, I see him as a master teacher. As someone with something to teach I respect him, and I take issue with having to take sides and argue his merits. Hardcore bushcrafters in the UK address him affectionately as "uncle." Thats enough for me. Yes in his axe tutorial the logs are sawn, so what? He is seen to carry a large saw in other videos to prep his wood. He expertly crafts an oar with an axe in another video.

By the way I looooooooooooove my wool, and pack some synthetics as well when I have to. I'm still relatively new to this forum, but I'm recognizing the real "versus" around here. Who is here to share information and have fun (the Mearsians and Bearsians), and who is here to arrogantly shit in a bag and sniff it and savor it while typing( fill in blank ).
 
BaldTaco, I really am flattered you're spending so much of your life, especially during the holiday, having it out for me. Derailing entirely untainted threads for no other purpose than to point back to constructive topics that you've already ruined... for most of us Junior High ended years ago. Either you became so dependent on it to found your own identity that you haven't grown out of it, or you really are nothing more than a troll.

Mears really puts me in the wilderness while relaxing at home, and nothing else has ever done that. It's a combination of his presentation/teaching technique, general attitude, authority through experience and objectives, that make for something truly worth watching. He can find amazing natural events in mundane places, and really takes it all in and reprocesses it in a way that isn't overly sappy or dramatic.

Based on my own experiences, applying the 'When in Rome' principle has always paid off. While Grylls is utilizing crazy tools and techniques from who knows where, Mears learns and adopts the technology of local indigenous peoples for a simple, practical, time tested solution. He is a true artist, whereas Grylls is more of a CG squirrel jacked up on energy drinks whose only real goal is attention and chaos.
 
Hilarious parody of Bear Grylls: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6551577/man-vs-wild-rpg

Video says it all...

absolutely love it, I'll buy that video game anytime :)

the little I've seen of Bear seems to me he is a little over the top, little to extreme for the camera when there are clearly more options he picks what will freak his viewers out most...

if you haven't watched that link you need to !!! amusing to say the least, but summed it up for me.....:)
 
This is all pretty funny. Mears in my opinion, but what I'm more excited about is the closely contested race for second. Will it be Bear Grylls or Jar Jar Binks??? I can't decide!!!
 
It just boils down to whose style you like. 2 different personalities but with the same end goal.

Too survive!!
 
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