REAL fighting (combat, etc) knives

CapitalizedLiving said:
I would stand behind this assertion.

I would like to add that a thick or dull cutting object will leave a gaping wound by tearing tissue, which causes greater trauma, longer term damage and profuse bleeding, while a thin knife that is very sharp will cause a wound that is easily self-sealed.

Anyone who has cut themselves with both a sharp and a dull kitchen knife knows this.

This is probably the reason Bark River made the STS 5 model out of .270 inch stock. It's really sharp but any wound won't self-seal as the blade stock is so thick. It's truly a nasty weapon.

Another cool innovation was the concept of "flying serrations" which was popularized by Jerry Busse. Designed to rip through a target, along with any clothing (leather, canvas, denim, and other heavy materials included), any blade with this feature won't be leaving a nice scalpel-smooth cut. Far from it.
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Self sealing wounds by the way also from a medical point of view are a nightmare to treat. Especially one left by a screwdriver, or an ice pick, or a stiletto. The cause massive internal bleeding and a a real pain to dress properly, as with any weapon placement is always the key, but if one survives the stab he is likely to die before he gets proper treatment administered. It's two separate extremes, that why a rapier was a deadly weapon of choice in its time, and it made more sense then a huge bastard sword.

I was sold on Busse knives after I saw those serrations. I always preferred my serrations closer to the tip. Mind I don't own any serrated blades like that, but then again I'm not going into combat tonight. Also BUSSE supplies a lot of knives to the military, and its a huge part of their business. A lot of production blades are designs tricked down from military orders.
 
Volk said:
It's two separate extremes, that why a rapier was a deadly weapon of choice in its time, and it made more sense then a huge bastard sword.
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Bastard swords aren't all that terribly huge, and were often shorter than rapiers. Likewise most rapiers would have a heck of a time parrying a strong blow from a bastard sword without the blade simply pushing straight through the defense. The two swords existed during the same span of time, and yet the rapier never saw service as a battlefield weapon--it was a civilian defensive sword.

Edge vs. point is a debate that's been waged for centuries. I say "why not both?" Gimme' a good cut-and-thrust any day. :D
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Bastard swords aren't all that terribly huge, and were often shorter than rapiers. Likewise most rapiers would have a heck of a time parrying a strong blow from a bastard sword without the blade simply pushing straight through the defense. The two swords existed during the same span of time, and yet the rapier never saw service as a battlefield weapon--it was a civilian defensive sword.

Edge vs. point is a debate that's been waged for centuries. I say "why not both?" Gimme' a good cut-and-thrust any day. :D
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I was trying to illustrate a point which you mentioned, that there is an old an ongoing debate which one is more damaging. Two extremes. I maybe talking with my head up my....I placed rapiers in a later periods of time with sabers, and cavalry swords (even though those are designed for slashing). And I know that bastard swords are similar to hand and a half swords, as in they aren't really huge. Anyway I admit my wrong for the time being and am going to Wikipedia stuff right now!


Wikipedia:

"The Longsword is a type of European sword used during the late medieval period, approximately 1350 to 1550 (with early and late use reaching into the 13th and 17th centuries, respectively)."

"Renaissance manuscripts refer to the longsword as the two hand sword. The terms "hand-and-a-half sword", "greatsword", and "bastard sword" are used colloquially to refer to longswords in general."

"Nevertheless, the English word "rapier" generally refers to a primarily thrusting weapon, developed by the year 1600 as a result of the geometrical theories of such masters as Camillo Agrippa and Ridolfo Capoferro."

BLAH BLAH BLAH, gunpowder was the true culprit behind the the change. And invention of professional standing armies. Swords were always weapons that needed to be mastered otherwise they would do more damage to the user.

However as at its own time it was almost a primary weapon for dueling, it qualifies it as a real fighting knife (well a sword but still) and matter of fact its the tacticool weapon of its time. So I'm still on topic but without pictures.
 
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It's all good. :D If I were going for a thruster it would be something like one of these:

1908 Indian Cavalry Saber
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You could make one heck of a big shishkebob with one of those! :p
 
The blades I have that I would consider good for fighting are Spyderco Warrior, Chris Reeve Green Beret, Ka-Bar USMC, Ka-Bar Black Fighter, Scrapyard Regulator, Busse TankBuster, and on the way Busse Gladius.
 
nothing beats the smatchet, of course, but if i had to actually kill another human being with a knife, i would choose a tanto with a curved 12 inch blade, half length sharpened swedge, and hamaguri edge.
 
The problem with knife fights is that no matter how good you are, chances are good that you're going to get cut...and I hate getting cut....so I used my knives to open my MREs and stuck with the M4 for fighting...
 
Reeper22 said:
The blades I have that I would consider good for fighting are Spyderco Warrior, Chris Reeve Green Beret, Ka-Bar USMC, Ka-Bar Black Fighter, Scrapyard Regulator, Busse TankBuster, and on the way Busse Gladius.
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Yay, finally somebody mentioned my future (?) knife.
I held the 7 inch version today. I think the knife is very nice.

How does the CR GB stand against something similar? the Ka-Bar USMC?
Thanks!

Chris Reeve Green Beret,
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philwar said:
Personal favourite.
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Cold Steel OSS in Aus8A.
Long, fast, razorsharp. How bad can a knife get? :D
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jkarp_53 said:
I would offer this as an alternative, original model 800 AFCK...

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AFCK for edc when you hope you wont get into a knife fight...but if you do your ready.
if your in the woods or going to a location for a knife fight my choice would be a subhilt fighter like above(slightly modified by me as no one makes one just like i like it, but that cold steel looks close)
but really the environment makes for the choice. lets say your in a closet??? you dont want a katana.i guess if you are in a empty parking lot and your not fighting highlander you want length and penetration so a foil or saber, um spears dont count right?

i guess what im trying to say is there is no perfect knife for every situation.
a buddy of mine named southnarc has carried at least 20 different knives that i know of.

and forget that "go cheap so you can drop it after you use it" philosophy, unless your a scumbag. if you are not a scumbag carry quality and defend your self. then when the cops arrive surrender your bloody knife and lay on the ground, because you have legally defended yourself. for my money engrave your name on the knife then no one accuses you of even intending to drop that knife.
and honestly if you are a scumbag, and you are gonna attack someone who means you no harm then at least go with medium quality, spend the money to make sure you dont have a failure at your chosen profession of hurting people who dont deserve it.
 
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