Real money making/selling custom knives?

I don't view it as discouraging. No one is saying it can't be done. Also, no one can truly answer that for anyone else. Cost of living differs drastically from place to place. Your expenses living in a large city compared to a small town will be much different. Fewer expenses mean fewer knives need to ship out every month.

If someone wants it bad enough, they will find the opportunities and make the changes to make it work.
 
Man, this is a really encouraging thread. How many knife makers quite after reading all this?
I can make a pretty decent knife, but I've yet to figure out how to get paid for the work. I don't know if my standards are too high or what.
I'm thinking about belt finishes now. I don't know.
It is discouraging, but I love designing and making knives. :)

It’s a great hobby, or as supplemental income after you make a bit of a name for yourself.
 
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There are additional costs that should be factored in, like your family's healthcare coverage. Knife making can be risky.

The ones that make it work best are the guys who are skilled at marketing and customer service. You can get someone to produce your stuff for you, but you have to be able to place and move your brand.

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Yep volume works for me. Last batch before Christmas. Waiting to have the handles hand sanded here.

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Between the first week of Oct and the first week of Dec I made about 150. They are all gone. Making 10 right now (thats like being on vacation) with another 60 odd at Peters. Like @BluesHarp said, if this is what ya want to do be prepared to work. But ya got to have your head on right too. What seems to work for me is to keep it cyclic. Work stupid hard for a few days on a batch and then kick it doing misc leather orders. Then stupid hard on knives and then kick it. Works for me. At all times I try to have a batch back from ht that I'm working on, a batch at ht and prepping a batch going to ht. This also keeps it fresh for me. After thousands its still fun.

Horsewright (Dave Ferry), you are my hero... Also am grateful for how much knowledge and tips you are willing to share with doofuses like me online, who conceivably could be your competition for sales.

I'm guessing being in business for yourself making knives isn't a huge difference from any other self-owned business as far as having to be productive, to market, and to budget both your business and personal finances properly.

Lucky for me that I have a paying job that I love which doesn't necessarily pay a great salary but includes good benefits and pension. That way I can enjoy making knives without additional pressure of having to pay the bills by selling them. I do plan to enjoy making and selling knives more often once I do retire from my current job though; at that point I'll be happy to make a little money or at least break even, so it still wouldn't be a lot of pressure.
 
I think it can be done.
However It seems to me that bladesmiths/knifemakers, even the really good ones, can charge way less for their work than people in other professions can, compared to the amount of work they have to put in. Not only that, but keep in mind that knifemaking is a dangerous profession, especially when you consider long term effects (dust, chemicals, hard physical work)...I am willing to bet that this circumstance is almost never incorporated into the price of a custom knife (whether or not you think that point about risk and price is valid, I think it's worth considering for yourself).

Making a knife that cuts is relatively easy and a great hobby to get into. Making a really good knife that fulfills certain quality standards set by the great makers in the custom knife scene is really difficult and involves a lot of different skills and each of those skills is also quite difficult to master. And even if you can make a great knife it still needs to sell, which to certain degree also involves creating your own style to distinguish yourself from other makers.

I also think that it is difficult because we live in societies where manual labor is not as valued financially anymore. What I mean by that is, the trend is more and more automatisation in most industries to produce goods cheaper and more efficiently. So people may value and admire the work and skill of a bladesmith, but they won't pay for it, or not as easily.

Which brings me to my next point: making a great knife is not enough. You could make the greatest knife in the world in regards to quality, design etc. but if your can't advertise your work properly, people probably won't pay you for what it's worth, or at least not as easily. For a bladesmith this means that, in my opinion, you not only have to advertise your product but yourself aswell. You have to create a narrative that makes not only your knives themselves, but the fact that the knife came from YOUR hand desireable. This way you can create a narrative for your customers, as to how much work you have to put in for a knife and why it is therefore worth the amount you want for it. I don't mean that in a way to trick your customers with big words or by simply lying to them like most modern advertising does in one form or the other, but most people simply do not know how much work knifemakers put into their product and with how much love and care they do it most of the time. The problem of course is that good marketing is expensive.

Now this is all easier said than done and the pressure from the bigger industrial companies is rather huge. Even though I think the "normal" knife market and the custom knife market are not easily comparable. However I think every knifemaker has at least at some point heard a comment like: "why should I pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars for a knife if I can have a 20$ dollar mora that also cuts stuff?" Now I think that thats not a fair comparison, but thats not the point.

After all my rambling you could say: "Well, the market is just that way and I have to adjust my prices accordingly, or I won't sell anything" ...and I agree, at least in part. I think we should still strive to get people to appreciate more how much work is put into making customs and therefore accept a higher pricetag and not accept the status quo. We live in societies where most products don't last as long anymore and we therefore collect more and more garbage. So advertising the true value of a product that is crafted with love and care and will probably last you a lifetime is not only justified, but also sensible, at least in my opinion.

But I am just some dude, who has posted some of the work he has done on here. So what do I know? ;)
 
About $300,000.00
The question was how much money could he expect to make selling his knives....not being a Male Gigalo!! ....not everyone can be as handsome, and really, really ridiculously good looking as you!!!

That's the total over a 30-year knifmaking career, right?

:)

No, it was his take home after taxes.....for a single night with a passionate, rich, ugly patron....... he does not like to talk about it .....
 
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It’s a great hobby, or as supplemental income after you make a bit of a name for yourself.

I'm doing ok for what I am doing. I have a good full time job and make few knives. I try to make the best knife I can. I haven't been serious about marketing yet.
I've kind of dedicated myself to serious study of the types I an passionate about making, and it has really been a blast. And all the great folks here on the forum. Makes it all very nice.
That day will come when I want to get serious about marketing. But really, I don't expect to make any kind of living. Like you say, supplement the monthly. Good enough and keep it enjoyable.
I love making a new design and finishing that knife. If I had to do twenty of them, I don't know....
 
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A guy came to visit me the other day, he’s been making knives for about a year. He uses cheap materials with cheap equipment. He made five knives, took them to work and sold two of them to a coworker for around $150 each. He told me he has this whole thing of making and selling knives figured out.

You go girl!

Hoss
lol. I've seen this many times. Last guy I talk with said " he's done the math"
 
the trend is more and more automatisation in most industries to produce goods cheaper and more efficiently. So people may value and admire the work and skill of a bladesmith, but they won't pay for it, or not as easily.
True of so many handmade goods but especially precision, custom made products. Preach.
 
I'm doing ok for what I am doing. I have a good full time job and make few knives. I try to make the best knife I can. I haven't been serious about marketing yet.
I've kind of dedicated myself to serious study of the types I an passionate about making, and it has really been a blast. And all the great folks here on the forum. Makes it all very nice.
That day will come when I want to get serious about marketing. But really, I don't expect to make any kind of living. Like you say, supplement the monthly. Good enough and keep it enjoyable.
I love making a new design and finishing that knife. If I had to do twenty of them, I don't know....

I’ve turned enjoyable hobbies into businesses twice, and lost the enjoyment. My real job, as a therapist is very rewarding, so I feel no pressure to do something different.

Keeping this at a hobby level lets me do what I want in the shop. I’ve been able to help chuck and Larrin with the charpy samples, rather than meeting a quota or budget. I’m very pleased with this. I make what I want, when I want, with few exceptions. I’m more known for heat treat than being a good knifemaker, and lately, I’ve been getting calls to heat treat blades for people. I might look into making blanks, heat treating them, and selling the blanks. I’m better at that, and more efficient at it than finishing knives. I also do a fair bit of horse trading, making knives, or heat treating in exchange for things I need. I enjoy this a lot too.

I lost interest in the abs journeyman/Mastersmith designations, as the steels I use dont lend themselves well to forging, and I’m not so into cowboy knives. I make a few, but it’s not my staple.
 
The better you get, and the more name recognition you get, the longer it takes to meet expectations. I don’t see JS or MS smiths making simple belt finished knives very often. There are higher expectations taking more time to finish each knife. People (customers) look down on waterjet cutting on a high end knife. They want unique, and with unique, comes time investment.

The guys who do this for a living either live in low cost areas, or inherited a fully equipped machine shop from their dad, or grandpa. (Or mom or grandmother.)

I’ve got $15k invested in my shop, and I’m not anywhere near fully equipped. I’d need another $10-15k to be properly set up for low production. Mass produced Damascus, add another $20-50k minimum.
 
Hello,

I been interested on making knives I have no idea how to make them I just been watching a lot of videos and I started to buy tools , I have the place to make a shop. but I was interested on your question about how much does a knife maker makes, and I just wanted to say that some times we have to forget about how much money is there to make but rather is this something that I will be passionate about , you could be very creative with your knives and sell them everywhere .

good luck.




I'm about to start (finally) making knives for profit. What is a realistic income from making/selling custom knives?

I know, loaded question!
 
Could just work full-time on knives and have a little part-time job doing something else on the side to help cover the bills. That's kinda the direction I'm shootin' for.
 
Yeah you can make real money making and selling knives. But that can be said of many things. For most folks, if you're needing to make some money you should probably just get a job.

Knife making is a good hobby. But there is a danger where folks underestimate the time it takes to make a knife and underestimate the costs and think they've done the math and miss by a lot. I've seen that so many times. If you think that if you could only get your shop set up and your technique dialed in you can make (and sell) 400-500 knives a year you're probably wrong. By a lot. There are so many makers who fall into that trap. And selling $100K in knives doesn't mean $100K in income. Nowhere close. And occasionally you'll see a maker with some skill that can turn out the work quickly and they try to scale it up and trip up moving into higher production because what works at a hobby scale doesn't always scale up. You can get blindsided.

The makers I know who earn a decent living doing this could also earn a decent living making something else. They're handy and knowledgeable and have several skills in addition to being good with their hands. They may have a background in manufacturing and they know how to make stuff and run a business. And they happen to have a passion for knives so that's what they choose to make, but it really could be anything. Some folks do it and I think that's awesome but I think it has to happen over time and develop organically, it's not something you can just jump into and say "I'm going to make knives for a living, that's my new job" because folks who try to do that often get blindsided by reality. You'll know if it's a good idea because you'll look around and it will already be happening.
 
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This is an old thread, but I thought I'd put in my two cents. I've been making knives as a hobby for over 20 years. I've been able to pay for all of my supplies and equipment by selling my knives, but not much more than that. I've done it for the enjoyment. Now I've just retired from 30 years in the computer software industry, and am making knives full time.

You don't know me, but you just described in great detail and extension my work routine almost to the letter, even attending a blade show 8000km away from home, yes, I'm exhibiting at Blade Show for the first time this year (table 14P)

Made me chuckle with the Comdex mention, I went twice in the mid 90's also in Atlanta.

I may add to your comments, you need to publish EFD (every f...ing day) on social networks, at least the big three, FB, TW, IG using the appropriate hashtags on every post. To catch ultra local to your area customers, Google My Business is a good resource too.

And to be able to do that, you need to take at least 4-5 good photos of EFK (every f...in knife :)) you make, there are no excuses to not taking photos of your work, as an example, I can stop working today and I could post new photos for almost a year and a half...

Also be creative with the way you show your work, from time to time, show a knife doing something, video is even better.

Most guys that are good at making things are not good at selling things.

Hoss

The best single line comment in this whole thread...! You need to be good at sales... period.




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New tax law makes an even bigger mess of this for anyone operating in the hobby space. You now can’t deduct any expenses related to a hobby but you are expected to report 100% of revenue from that hobby as income. That makes the selling enough just to offset expenses model harder. Now you’ll either have more folks needing to try to operate their hobby as an actual business with all of the added complications of that (more costly for the IRS) or more people just not properly reporting the extra income (less revenue for the IRS). Classic politician foresight...
 
New tax law makes an even bigger mess of this for anyone operating in the hobby space. You now can’t deduct any expenses related to a hobby but you are expected to report 100% of revenue from that hobby as income. That makes the selling enough just to offset expenses model harder. Now you’ll either have more folks needing to try to operate their hobby as an actual business with all of the added complications of that (more costly for the IRS) or more people just not properly reporting the extra income (less revenue for the IRS). Classic politician foresight...
I was not aware of that tax law - looks like they're handling hobbies same as gambling? Just goes to show "life isn't fair" :(
 
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