real world survival

I understand your sense of humor, KEmSAT. I just don't find maiming people all that funny. Save it for the zombie-slayers. These folks are talking about feeding their families, and I feel the kinda crap you've posted here just distracts people from some darn good info.

Nothing personal on my end, and I hope you don't take it that way, either. But there are plenty other forums here where we can talk out of our butt about whatever we darn well feel like, including cannabilism and blasting anyone who comes near our door (recurring themes in your posts, from what I've seen). This isn't one of them.

Nope, I'm not a mod or any other kind of authority! Just my dos centavos, as always ;) Please feel free to pm or email me if I've misunderstood your intent.
 
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I know we all plan and practice for stuck in the wilderness survival . In real world today very few of us will ever need that. The fact is most of us here practice enough to make of having to survive in the woods less likely than most people. I doubt that a week or two with out power bothers most of us much (storms).
Like many here I lost my job last year . it took all most 5 months to find a decent job . And I am a plumber with 22 year of experience. Sure I had offers but they were at wages that by the time I bought gas I could make as much on unemployment. I feel sorry for young adults with little job experience. when I did find a job It was far enough away we had to move.
I really don't see the economy getting better anytime soon
Here is what I do know I had all ways grown veggies on every little spot I could find in our small yard . last spring a neighbor let me use a 25 x50 spot in their back yard . with out that garden we would have been : 1. a lot tighter on money 2. would not have eaten near as well (healthy)
I consider gardening equipment as much survival gear as knives, guns, and fire making.
One of the good things to come out of this mess of losing my job is . my 1200 sq ft garden down the rode is now 2000 sq ft just out the back door :thumbup: and I now live where I can raise chickens . there are 6 pullets and 4 cockerel chick in a rubber made tub in my closet (less than a week old) pullet for eggs (no eggs for breakfast is a real disaster) 1 rooster to be the man off the coop and the other 3 are destine for dinner
just my thoughts
Roy

I'm really lookin' into this but I just don't know where to start. I have a huge backyard that's all grass and I'd like to know how to start a garden. Any good websites or books any of you guys know? Oh and I feel ya about the job. I got layed off about a month and a half ago and still lookin.
 
Are we talking about supplementing your income or living completely from your garden / flocks?

How many acres of corn/beans/squash/tomatoes does it take to feed a family of four?
What are your plans for the winter?

Mike
maybe not totally living of a garden .but every dime you save in food Is money that can be spent else where. I think you would be surprised what some one could grow on a couple acres if you really put your mind to it. there was an article on the news with in the last month about how as times get tough people eat less healthy (the cheaper food is fat and starch) but when you have a garden there are veggies to go with your fat and starch. You do not need acres to grow enough to help I have grown more stuff than you can imagine in flowerbeds and along fences in town. If your space is limited check out "square foot gardening
Roy
 
I'm really lookin' into this but I just don't know where to start. I have a huge backyard that's all grass and I'd like to know how to start a garden. Any good websites or books any of you guys know? Oh and I feel ya about the job. I got layed off about a month and a half ago and still lookin.
Shotgun
Call your county ag extension office to see if they can help you' or hook you up with some one local who could mentor you in gardening
Roy
 
This is probably one of the most intellegent posts I've seen on this forum. In the coming years, survival is not going to be done by playing mountian man, but by adapting to rapidly changing economic conditions. If we do slide into an out and out depression, it's going to make the crash of '29 look like a church social. The young guys with no familys can get away with playing Jerimiah Johnson, but those with kids and grandkids have to work with the family to survive. To feed your clan.

I for one will applaud Roy. He's on the track to doing it right.

Small scale farming is a viable way to feed your people.
Good going, Roy!:thumbup:

WELL SAID!

Sometimes survival is just getting by. I grow tomatoes, peppers, and all manner of healing and health inducing herbs. (None that are recreational! :D )

I grow all of them in huge discarded tree pots so I can move them around to get the right amount of sun as the seasons change. We enjoy the harvest a lot, and as a side benefit, I trade with my buddies that grow squash, beans, etc.

I have been caught in a few tornadoes, including one that tore the roof off our house while we were in it! I have been in several hurricanes, and flooding from so bad it made the national news - whole neighborhoods were literally washed away. Hail storms - how about grapefruit sized hail? No power, water contaminated, roads blocked from tree falls - that good stuff. Personally, I never had a problem dealing with any of that stuff. That stuff isn't scary to me. My first hurricane was Carla back in '61 when I was a kiddo. Growing up near the coast, we had a lot of destruction and damage everywhere.

Unlike some here, I feel no need to be prepared to be survive if trapped in a downed aircraft, caught in an avalanche, attacked by malcontents and left in the desert or lost so long in the woods I needed to survive with just one huge knife (made with the correct steel of course!) and a state of the art firesteel carried in a $95 sling pack full of other goodies. But I have still felt lucky to survive certain situations that are much scarier to me, nonetheless.

Most of my survival experience has been surviving being a small business owner and riding the ups and downs of the economy. Coupled with the fact that I was a primary care giver to two very elderly and very sick parents for years, my time has been divided into too many places. I have been dead broke more than once for a lot of different reasons. I made costly mistakes in my life and business that had high consequences, mostly mistakes that required money to fix them. Nothing matches the fear of honestly thinking you might lose your business, your house, or personal assets you have worked hard to earn.

I found the "container garden" a great way to bolster my income and improve the quality of food at the table. Plus, since I don't smoke anymore and rarely drink, it is relaxing to go water my plants at night under my flood light when I get home from a long day. No more cigs and bourbon to wind down.

Don't let anyone deter you with cynicism and negative thoughts. In this economy, your efforts will no doubt pay rich dividends. As a side benefit to the financial gain, it sounds like you are enjoying doing those things as well. You are doing the right thing. And think of the good lessons in self sufficiency you are giving your kids and friends...

Good on ya!

Robert
 
Robert, you raise a great point about gardening being relaxing, and the lessons you can give to your kids. In my meager attempts at gardening (I live in town and have done everything from a small plot in the yard, buckets on the porch, a beat-up kiddie pool full of lettuce, etc.) I involved my kid in it and she took pride. I'd like to think this helped her understand a little bit about Mother Nature and where food comes from. I cried a little the first time I realized Sunday evening's rabbit stew came from grampa's bunny hutches, but I soon grew to understand. I still like rabbit stew to this day :)

An hour or so a couple times a week, spent with your kids watering or weeding, on a pleasant evening, is a beautiful thing. I remember being a tiny boy at my grandma's knee, eating sweet peas right off the vine, and I've been lucky enough to pass that on to my daughter. There's a certain sense of satisfaction when you step off the porch and pick some fresh veggies to make a nice salad for your family, knowing you all helped it grow, and knowing it's fresh and healthful. Darn sure better than staring at the TV, eh?
 
We used to garden and I think the spirit of the OP is a great one. The main reason we stopped is that we have the benefit of living near a lot of prime farmland and there are a pile of local growers who still sell their veggies on the fruit/veggie stands. Hard to believe, but I can't grow my food as cheap as it is to buy them from these guys. Plus, I love keeping my money in the local economy. I try to forgo every nickel I possibly can from the grocery store and spend it locally.

My wife cans a little bit here and there. We are thinking of doing it more seriously this year at harvest time. I think this will make a difference.
 
I for one always have a fairly large garden. I am picking spinach right now in Kansas. Planted the seeds in the fall and watched the plants struggle all winter. It surprised me to have fresh spinach now. Last year I experimented with covering the bed in plastic but as soon as I uncovered it and a cold snap came the plants died. This years experiment surprised me. Just finished planting more seeds. We have yards that we plant grass and pollute the drinking water. Fertilizer is more expensive this year. People use to have what was called Victory Gardens during the war in the past. You may consider landscaping with veggies around your house. Borders of spinach, Squash plants as bushes etc. I have found that the people at work want you to bring all this surplus food in for them to eat and they are too lazy to come out and get it for themselves. They have been conditioned to have perfect looking food. They are now paying for it. They say they have no time for a garden. They are overweight and spend too much time driving to the gym. They should do the garden workout, get sun, lots of squats, eat as you go. Sorry for the rant. Plant a garden, even if it is containers on the ground or hanging. I maximize my garden space with mounded raised beds and grass clippings in the paths to be recycled later. Not alot of work when you get it going and less watering. Regards.
 
I'm really lookin' into this but I just don't know where to start. I have a huge backyard that's all grass and I'd like to know how to start a garden. Any good websites or books any of you guys know? Oh and I feel ya about the job. I got layed off about a month and a half ago and still lookin.

I can give you some basics, this might help you with search terms, and you will need to adapt everything you find to your local conditions. If you live in the green part of OR, you're in luck; if you live in the desert part, you'll have to water a lot more.

1) choose your spot(s). Veggies and herbs almost universally need full sun (that means ~ 8 hours a day). In the desert part they probably wouldn't mind a few hours of shade here and there. Look for good drainage in the green part of the state; something that collects runoff in the desert part.

2) get rid of the grass. Depending on what kind it is and where you are, you might be able to put an ad on craigslist and have ppl who need it come and dig some of it up for you. Otherwise, grab some shovels and family members, and make sure you get all the root bits out. Knock clumps of roots with a hand trowel to get all the topsoil out. It may help to cover the grass with a black painter's dropcloth for a week to kill it first. Then, depending on the grass, you may need to install a root barrier to keep the grass from spreading back into your garden. It's those rolls of black semi-rigid plastic edging.

3) amend the soil. Here you need to figure out what kind of soil you have. Example, in heavy clay soils, I would add sand for drainage. Humus / composted manure is usually a good thing to add unless your soil is already rich.

4) Plant stuff after your last freeze date (this varies widely across the country). Read seed packets thoroughly so you understand how big the adult plant will be, whether it will need support (beans, tomatoes), and any tips on planting and harvesting. Check out 'companion planting' - some plants repel insects that like another plant. Leave enough space between rows / clusters that you can move through your garden to prune, weed, water, etc. Strategically-placed stepping stones will help keep you from slipping in the mud if you're in the rainy part of the state.

Protect plants from wildlife if necessary. Some plants are better grown from seeds, others (some herbs) you should buy already sprouted in pots (they are more expensive per plant than seeds, but useful for things that are hard to get to sprout).

Soil around the seedlings should be kept moist until they get big enough that their root systems are more established. Poke your finger into the soil about 2" in various spots to check for moisture. Once you're sure that everything in a row/cluster has sprouted, mulch if you're in the desert. Helps hold water in the soil.

5) Maintenance - weed and water, sometimes prune (tomatoes do best if pruned in a specific way), and harvest.

6) Compost - everything that comes out of your garden that doesn't get eaten should go back into your garden soil in the form of compost. Anything you get from a store's produce aisle that is waste should also go in the compost pile. There are many ways to compost; some people do one huge pile, others do smaller piles contained in wire fencing or brick enclosures; you can do aerobic or anerobic, etc etc.

There should be enough search terms in there to get you started. Good luck and post pics!
 
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