Realistic Kitchen Knives :(

...Zeasor - how do you do that "secondary bevel - concave edge" thing? I'd be interested to try it on our "new" Chicagos...

For my example I'll use the two bevels (30°, 40°) that Spyderco's Sharpmaker uses since they claim their angles are best for most uses. Rough sharpen a knife at ~15° each side for the primary bevel. Once the knife has a utility edge, start a secondary bevel at ~20° each side using a finer stone(s) to refine and further sharpen the edge. Now comes the convexing. Place a piece of sandpaper (I prefer wet/dry) on a firm/flexible base such as a computer mouse pad and strop (edge trailing) the secondary bevel (at 20°) with light pressure. The mouse pad will give somewhat causing the sandpaper to wrap around the blade thus creating a convex curve. CAUTION: Excessive pressure will round over the edge too much. Finish with a grit that suits the knife's purpose. Using a progression of sandpaper grits will speed and refine the process. Something like 100, 300, 800, 1200 grits will produce a very sharp edge, possibly too refined for general kitchen use. (Someone may come along and tell you about "Scary Sharp" using grits of 20,000+) Some will advise you to skip the secondary bevel and convex the entire primary bevel possibly resulting in a sharper (and possibly less sturdy) edge. Your choice.

This convex edge is sturdy for general kitchen use and can be easily maintained with regular stropping. I prefer using a hanging strop (not one mounted on a hard surface) because it gives enough to easily follow the convex bevel (be careful not to round over the edge) and it works well for long kitchen knives. OR Strop on a piece of leather on top of the mouse pad. This will give your Henckels a sturdy, sharp and useful edge easily maintained with a strop. Try it on a chopping blade (chef's knife) first to see if your Henckels take on a new life. But alas, all this work will be short lived on a hard cutting board (even hard plastic).

Hopefully someone will come along and point you toward previous posts or websites that have graphics to illustrate and better specify the convexing process.
 
As someone who has invested way too much into Japanese cutlery...

I would rank the economic options from:

1. Tojiro
2. MACs
3. Forschners

The Forshners are fantastic knives with extremely cheap prices. The Fibrox handles are comfy and pretty much bomb-proof. They welcome long sink sieges and will come out fighting compared to the more expensive options.

Thom's idea is great: Forschner for the rough and tumble - a Shun for delicate stuff.
 
I just got a couple Tojiros last night (thanks, Thom!) and they seem like great values. Another option is AG Russell's base line of Japanese knives. I bought a set for my parents for Christmas for under $200 shipped (I think it was 7 knives), and I believe they are in AUS-8. The edges aren't the thinnest, but are much better than a Henckels or Wustof as far as being thin. As of last weekend they were all still shaving, in fact the lesser used knives were still popping hairs. I touched up the Chef's knife (the most used) on the Sharpmaker to get it tree topping in just a minute or so. They seem like a pretty good value and have made my mom, who cooks a lot, very happy. They won't slice like my Takeda Gyuto (not much will), but they have no corrosion, rolling, denting or chipping so far, so you might consider them.

Mike
 
You can't beat a Takeda in cutting ability. And you can't beat on a Takeda or it will explode and cover your upper torso and kitchen in Hitachi Blue Super schrapnel. Never has cutting been so fun than when using a knife thinner than a hair, harder than glass, able to rust if you yawn on it. But that's another topic.
 
You can't beat a Takeda in cutting ability. And you can't beat on a Takeda or it will explode and cover your upper torso and kitchen in Hitachi Blue Super schrapnel. Never has cutting been so fun than when using a knife thinner than a hair, harder than glass, able to rust if you yawn on it. But that's another topic.


So true, but with the Takeda the occasional rusting from a yawn and exploding tungsten is worth the bliss of having your 250mm knife guillotine through everything in it's path and stick itself to the cutting board on every cut. Not to mention it is 4 degrees per side, talk about some bragging rights!

Back on topic, this is the AG Russell set I bought my parents: http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_...lock/a_g_russell_set_of_7_kitchen_knives.html

I didn't get them the knife block, but I have one myself and like it a lot. Unlike most every other block I have seen it had a spot wide enough to fit my Takeda, and if you ever want to wash it the dishwasher takes care of it nicely. It isn't beautiful, but it is very functional.

Mike
 
Wow! Thanks for all the help from everybody. Seems like I'm not the only one with this issue. I really do appreciate the large amount of posts with really insightful help. I like the idea offered of getting the Forschners for the knives that will undergo the most abuse and nicer Japanese stuff on the others. Her bludgeon of choice is a 6" chef's or utility knife - obvious candidate for a Forschner.

Here's one more question: with the Shun Classics, how annoying is it to use them on the 'off' hand - I'm right handed and my wife's a southpaw.
 
i dont think it would be terrible, but there is another model of shun knives that does not have the asymetric handle. i cant remeber what theyre called but they look exactly the same minus the palm swell. you can check them out at kershaws website.
 
I believe MAC knives are a really good value. They are a Japanese company that has several different lines of knives, that consistently get great reviews in the cooking community.
I've had very good service from their 6.5" Santoku Professional Line knife (MSK-65), which I believe can be bought for around $70. It is a very durable, hard stainless knife, which takes and holds a very good edge.
 
So true, but with the Takeda the occasional rusting from a yawn and exploding tungsten is worth the bliss of having your 250mm knife guillotine through everything in it's path and stick itself to the cutting board on every cut.

Amen, brother man!

Here's one more question: with the Shun Classics, how annoying is it to use them on the 'off' hand - I'm right handed and my wife's a southpaw.

I'm a southpaw and never noticed a difference when using my Pa-in-Law's Shun Classic santoku. Plus, you buy Shun Classic knives with the handle set up for left-handed folks in case it might matter. www.epicedge.com has all kinds of left-handed Shun Classics.
 
if you're on a budget, I would recommend the Wasabi line from Kershaw. Inexpensive, cuts like a dream. I'm not a daily knife user in the kitchen (maybe only 3-4 x a week), but hey have served me well. Some handles are very slightly asymmetric, others are not within the line, but I'm ambidextrous, and none of them pose a problem with either hand.
Also, bamboo or maple cutting board, bamboo's cheaper.

Good luck with your search.

Rik
 
Shoot.... We don't have nice kitchen knives, mainly because we're too broke, but the ones we have hare in much better shape now that my wife's learned how to treat them. Once you show her how to flip the knife upside down and scrape things across the cutting board with the spine instead of the edge, I'll bet the whole situation improves. :p
 
I prefer the feel of stamped kitchen knives to forged ones. I like Forschner, but I like Kershaw Kai (Their inexpensive line) better. The handles are easy to hang on to when your hands get wet and/or greasy. The weight and balance is very similar to the Forschner. The steel characteristics are similar as well.
 
Nobody mentioned Victorinox kitchen knives yet! Cheap and good quality....
 
But, let me brag about my 10 year old daughter. I recently handed my old Old Timer middleman jack down to her.

You should post this in the traditional forum. You really want the wife to go over the edge - teach the 10 yr to sharpen the knife.
 
First, I don't know about other similar products, but Corian is about the same hardness as some maples - typical HSS woodworking edged tools and bits work it quite easily. Although it doesn't have an open grain to catch sanding grit in, fine cuts can - and 'resurfacing' it, like wood, should be done with a scraper. Trapped grit will chip/dull your knives.

Since I no longer hunt, my collection of hunting knives is my idea of 'art'. I did get a regular Buck 119 & 120 to go outdoors... my fancy BR versions remaining on a stand with their siblings. One day, I just had to try that 119 on some beef - cutting it like a laser was my reward. As a SS, it was easily cleaned. As the Paul Bos heat treated 420HC, it holds it well, too. Price? $34 new at Wally World... and what a comfortable knife to use on meats... you'd think it was designed for that!

Now, for a parer... guess I could get another 102... better yet, alfi.com has their plastic handled serrated parers at ~$20/12 - blister packed - buy a couple dozen, get a dozen free. That's the same knife they use at Subway.

Seriously, if you have a decent hunting knife that you can re-assign duties to, try it. Luckily, I am so happy with the 119 in it's new duties, my Kalinga Pro, Puma White Hunter, and Barkies are safe!

Stainz

PS I am the chef... sure, my wife cringes when I cut veggies or meat with that 119 - but I like it!
 
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