Reality Based tip SNAPPED!!! 440C to brittle?

*Sigh...* Whoa whoa sir, you yourself need to calm down. Your tone is malicious and does NOTHING to aid this form. I have called and spoken personally with TJT, and he was VERY understanding. By you reposting my assumed lack of concern by boker, you not only cast yourself as an antagonist, but also someone that shows lack of self-restraint. I was upset, my new knife had unexpected snapped from what wasn't a violent nor malicious attempt to break it. Of course someone would be upset and shocked. But instead of being sympathetic, you decided to pot-shot and talk smack.... why? Nevermind why- I'm gracious that Mr.Trahan helped me out and took concern with my post and that is all that should be of concern from you- the bystander.... please do not bother responding as this is not a mud slinging contest. I was wrong, I admitted up to it, that should be sufficient- not to mention I offered to pay for whatever necessary remedy Boker chose to/not to offer. Case closed and thank you all for your support, and again thank YOU Mr.Trahan! :D :thumbup:

I would also like to apologize to the forum community- that I had to respond to this kind of predatory mud-slinging... I admitted to my mistake and don't need to have my nose rubbed in it. Thanks and well being to all! :)

I just noticed that V12 only has 11 posts, 6 of them in this complaint thread.

V12, really, nice start to your time here at Bladeforums. The line about apologizing to the community because YOU had to respond to critique just cracks me up. This, after you come to the Boker forum and insinuate that there's a problem with the steel in their knives (see thread title).

When you scratch the blade coating, try not to go off the deep end. :D
 
If you live in Colorado, I will gladly buy you a beer...otherwise....I guess it will have to be a virtual beer. Here's mud in your eye!!!! (sorry I couldn't resist) FYI the mud in your eye wasn't slung, it was thrown up from the road in front of the bar where we just finished our beers. Ahhhhhh!!! I really need some sleep.

:D HAHAH! I almost spit my Coffee out when I read the part about the truck and mud! Very clever, AHAHA I've been trumped! :o

On another note, how about you write a small review of your impressions and thoughts about that knife. It has intrigued me since it came out, but I just couldn't find a reason to purchase one. In the event that I ever had to use one of my edged tools to defend myself, I wouldn't want it to be one identified as an uber tactical deanimation device or the like, but that is a very interesting blade design, I bet it would be excellent for cutting rope and vegitation. Point might be decent for boring holes in wood (as long as the snapping thing isn't a regular occurance). I may just convince myself that I need one yet.

I will definately write up a review: in short, regardless of the tip it's VERY sharp. As I said before, maybe a little too sharp for me (if that's possible?) I'm talking RAZOR sharp- even the slightest graze or touch to the fingers and a little paper-thin cut appears and the blood starts to flow! With my Gerber, Schrade, and misc other semi-well-known knives this was not so much of an issue. I will write a thorough one once the "newness" has worn off, and I get that 1st coating scratch. As I'm overly cautious with new things. :rolleyes: :thumbup:
 
I just noticed that V12 only has 11 posts, 6 of them in this complaint thread.

V12, really, nice start to your time here at Bladeforums. The line about apologizing to the community because YOU had to respond to critique just cracks me up. This, after you come to the Boker forum and insinuate that there's a problem with the steel in their knives (see thread title).

When you scratch the blade coating, try not to go off the deep end. :D

:( :D Guess I've awoken some old dogs on the forums and the barks are coming from far and wide... I can accept some initiation hazing! :foot: Bark away old-yeller! :p :rolleyes:
 
You`ll find a whole heap of people with thousands of posts under their belt that think the whole world revolves around them and posts that they`ve uncovered or dug up . They just try to chew a little bit more fat off anold bone to keep their post count up . Civilized beings learn to ignore them and use this forum for what its for and thats learning !

Cheers mate !
 
You`ll find a whole heap of people with thousands of posts under their belt that think the whole world revolves around them and posts that they`ve uncovered or dug up . They just try to chew a little bit more fat off anold bone to keep their post count up . Civilized beings learn to ignore them and use this forum for what its for and thats learning !

Cheers mate !

*nod* & *bow* I can't wait to get my new knife back... Hope I'm not too paranoid not to use it... but now that I think about it, it's BEST suited for well umm... like TJT Stabbing! :eek: :confused: It's nothing like this Gerber which I've substituted as my EDC... I never realized how stout / aggressive it (boker) looks compared to anything else I've carried short of being a young kid thinking my old bro's Rambo-II combat "knife" was anything short of a survival machine. :)
 
You would be surprised at what hard surfaces can do to knife steels. Case in point, don't drop a knife on tile!!! Depending on the material of your sink, you hit a very hard surface, no matter how hard you might have been cutting. When you sharpen a knife, consider how little pressure it takes to remove metal...

I really love this knife. For those of you who don't have one... It is a very solid knife for the money. I just got a second one, the spear point, and the spear point makes the tanto look small!!! For those of you who don't like some of the more "martial" elements of the original, the spear point lacks the blood grooves, the 3 cm mark of the earlier model.

Also, if you are worried about tip strength, then the spear point might be worth a look.
 
You would be surprised at what hard surfaces can do to knife steels. Case in point, don't drop a knife on tile!!! Depending on the material of your sink, you hit a very hard surface, no matter how hard you might have been cutting. When you sharpen a knife, consider how little pressure it takes to remove metal...

I really love this knife. For those of you who don't have one... It is a very solid knife for the money. I just got a second one, the spear point, and the spear point makes the tanto look small!!! For those of you who don't like some of the more "martial" elements of the original, the spear point lacks the blood grooves, the 3 cm mark of the earlier model.

Also, if you are worried about tip strength, then the spear point might be worth a look.

Yeah, former Materials Science Engineering student here, lots metal matrix courses and study. It's very helpful to know esp when dealing with harder alloyed steels (esp). I think maybe the spear point might have to be my next add to the collection: I'm of course not planning on using the JWR for its intended purpose unless I'm forced to ;) I hope that I don't suffer another stupid misfortune (on my part) :o :thumbup:
 
I have seen more than one blade [ not cheap ones ] break a little bit of the tip. I have to assume it's either overheating which causes grain growth and brittleness [very easy to do on the tip] or heat damage from grinding[ also very easy to do at the tip]. The ones that I had I sharpend a new tip and never had another problem.
 
I have seen more than one blade [ not cheap ones ] break a little bit of the tip. I have to assume it's either overheating which causes grain growth and brittleness [very easy to do on the tip] or heat damage from grinding[ also very easy to do at the tip]. The ones that I had I sharpend a new tip and never had another problem.

OMG Danger Mouse (DM)! Nice avatar! Yeah the tip is the hardest part to control for b/c it's so thin and the heat spreads rapidly and cools rapidly, giving a very uneven tempering issue. The rest of the blade might be fine, but the tip could be over heated or cooled too rapidly. I think the JWR series would be a little improved if the tip wasnt so thin. A bit in the middle between gladius and tanto would be nice. Gladius being a little too thin, while most tanto's I've seen are too stubby to be as serious a piercer like the gladius. It's still a very nice knife design though, unlike anything I've ever seen, that's why I got it for sure. Even if the tip breaks again, I'll find a machinist to resharpen it down to a more slight Tanto profile unless boker could do it. I am as careful as can be but accidents do happen and it's a matter of time (I hope not). Anyhow I'm satisfied with my purchase for sure. I could see some refinements, but that's for a more long term review I'll be doing.
Thanks for the reply DM (mete)! Where's Penfold? :)
 
You would be surprised at what hard surfaces can do to knife steels. Case in point, don't drop a knife on tile!!! Depending on the material of your sink, you hit a very hard surface, no matter how hard you might have been cutting. When you sharpen a knife, consider how little pressure it takes to remove metal...

I really love this knife. For those of you who don't have one... It is a very solid knife for the money. I just got a second one, the spear point, and the spear point makes the tanto look small!!! For those of you who don't like some of the more "martial" elements of the original, the spear point lacks the blood grooves, the 3 cm mark of the earlier model.

Also, if you are worried about tip strength, then the spear point might be worth a look.

I just went to the Boker website and looked at their reality based blade. There is no spear point listed...are you talking about the same knife:confused:
 
AWWWW Geeesh!:mad: THE JWR spear-point? wtf, I didn't even know that existed, I thought that you were talking about the magnum series or something completely diff. I think that spear-point would much better suit me, as having to not baby it so much as with the Gladius tip. :rolleyes: :( Oh well if it breaks I'll just have to have it filed down to a tanto point :cool:

Thanks for the info... hrmm maybe I can ebay it and get a fair price, and get the spear point instead.... I think the gladius looks better and all, but I'm too paranoid about the tip now :-/ It's that 1st dent/scratch in a new car that really gets to ya, after that it's paranoia mode for a while.... same for my knives.
 
V12!!
Call me at the Customer Service Dept, 1800-992-6537 ext. 21.
I need to ask you something about your knife.
Thanks, TJT
 
Did the tip break when you were cutting the carton, or when it went through the carton and hit the counter (if its the counter its understandable)?

440C can be brittle. It should not be very brittle though. It has very low flexabilty (resiliency) compared to other high end steels.
 
It went through the carton, + through the 1/2" plastic drain guard. Guy, the knife is ULTRA sharp; it went through both like butter. I tried a little test with some random (folding) knives and some kitchen knives: Banged them all on the same surface pretty hard and no tip damage, aside from dulling the blades. It was most likely a hardening defect. I took a look with a magnifying scope and the grain structure looked a little odd at the break. It Looked more like what you'd see with pot-metal that has micron-sized air pockets. Some pits and what not. If it was solid grain like production intended I think it would have been fine, just dulled. Stuff like that happens, I used to work with castings and sometimes not all the air makes it's way out. The voids severely weaken the metal structure and they cracked under normal stress and had to be re-melted down and recast etc... Either way, aside from the hardening issue, the knife is professional and solid - cuts like a light-saber.

All-in-all this has been the best customer service I can ever remember having! No waiting, no haggling, no hassle, just hand-holding goodness! :D :thumbup: :D Seriously, I talked to the rep, he had NO attitude or the typical you're guilty-till-proven-innocent chip on the shoulder. Just casual chat and understanding and you're taken care of. Not something I'm accustomed to when calling up about an issue/return. :foot:

Soon as I get more funds I'm looking into the ceramic kitchen set!
Thanks to all that replied, and esp to TJT for the exuberant customer service!!!!
 
Any pores could certainly make a difference. But 440C, inherent in it's makeup does not have much resliency. I have made knives out of it for over 25 years. 440C was the custom steel of the 60-70's. Its a really good steel if the heat treat is done correctly. But when it is done correctly, it will not being very resilient.
 
Well folks I've long ago received my JWR Spearpoint and cannot be more happy with it (okay I could always nit-pick) I love it. I carry it everywhere and it's just as sharp as the Gladius, but not as awkward... I'm not sure where I should write a review on it - IE a sep forum or keep this one going? BTW- I might add again, Boker's support is THE best support I've ever received from anywhere. It's FAST, immediate and informative... Thanks for all the support everyone!
 
I personally also had a very good dealing with Boker. My wife had bought a Boker folding ceramic knife for my b-day about 5 years ago. After a short while , I was no no longer impressed with the reputed edge retention. I asked Boker if they would consider trading it for a Model 4000 440c folder. "NO PROBLEM if you're not satisfied with the ceramic" was my response. In todays world of "blame someone else bums" in customer service, I found this astonishing. Five days after they received my return I had that model 4000 with the stag horn handles. I can even sharpen it myself (and it holds an edge very well). Boker customer service rocks in my opinion! PS: I didn't even have a sales receipt!.:)
 
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