Really bad potential gun law in PA

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I live in California; an already anti 2nd Amendment state. I would hate to see other states follow the PRK's example and deny US citizens their rights!
Who knows; Guns today knives tomorrow. It is a VERY slippery slope.
If you live in PA get into action. If you know anyone in PA get them informed as to what their lawmakers are proposing.


GUN REGISTRATION BILL

House Bill No. 760 was introduced in the State House of representatives last week.

The bill was introduced by representatives Cruz, Youngblood, Parker, Wheatley, Bennington and Curry.

The legislation calls for every gun in Pennsylvania to be registered with the state, and each registration must be renewed annually. The registration would cost the gun owner $10 per gun each year. The bill also calls for each gun owner to be fingerprinted, have a back ground check, and to submit pass port-style photos for registration cards. The registration card for each gun would then have to be carried with that gun at all times. Any gun that registration is denied for would then be confiscated by the state police.
House Bill No. 760 was referred to a committee last week, and there's no word on when the house would vote on it.
 
Yup, I dream of the day I can move to a state that gives more rights to law abiding citizens than to it's criminals.
 
In California the newest law soon to take effect is the banning of lead bullets in hunting ammo. This was on the front page of the local paper this week. No lead of any amount will be allowed including .22 rimfire ammo. No lead shot for doves or quail etc. Solid copper is allowed (for now). IIRC this will be enforced in 22 counties.
 
i saw this bill two days ago. already emailed friends and called two state reps. and plan to do more. the democrats took control of the state house just two months ago and look how fast they are to take away our freedom.


maybe they will move this thread to the political forum.
 
In California the newest law soon to take effect is the banning of lead bullets in hunting ammo. This was on the front page of the local paper this week. No lead of any amount will be allowed including .22 rimfire ammo. No lead shot for doves or quail etc. Solid copper is allowed (for now). IIRC this will be enforced in 22 counties.

I think this will get defeated; hopefully.
The lead was taken out of duck hunting shells years ago and if lead is really a problem then they would have outlawed all lead fishing weights instead.
You can go to Calguns.org and find out how to petition against the lead ammo ban and other stupid anti gun CA legislation.
 
ammo keeps a long time. as they say in CNBC Mad Money buy buy buy.
 
This may sound crazy...I wouldn't consider my self a gun guy...I have 2 firearms 1 20 gauge double barrel sxs and a .22 lr bolt action...Not a sizable collection but enough to keep the fridge full of bunnies/squirrels/ducks and grouse. both my guns have seen use as a camp guns as well...That being said (and this is just my opinion..not trying to open a can of worms) but I don't see the big deal with registering firearms...Where I live you have to wait 6 months just to get approved for a permit to buy a long gun (That I feel is extreme) but having an official record of who has what...that makes sense I know alot of people who want firearms...who I wouldn't even let hold one..I'm sure as many of the people on this forum know firearms are great responsibility, and just because somone can meet the basic requirements needed to drive to the closest walmart doesnt, that necesarily qualify them to have the scruples to know how to deal with a firearms as part of everyday life...Once again this is just a perspective...This is not to say that I agree with every gun law that comes down the pike I'm just saying, Picture the stupidest most irresponsible person you know...and now give them unlimited access to a world full of firearms....now multiply that by a million, and you've got your average city...Like I said I'm a shooter, a hunter, and a gun owner, I truly enjoy my firearms...I just also have this misfortune of riding the NYC subways everday and I see a million people who I am glad are not at the range or in the woods with me...I don't know maybe I'm just a disgruntled city dweller, anyway no offense to anyone...I respect everybodys beliefs in regards to this issue and please offer me the same courtesy...Just thought I'd put it out there.
 
walmart, just this year in my area they removed all firearms from our stores, but for now they still sell ammo.
 
This may sound crazy...I wouldn't consider my self a gun guy...I have 2 firearms 1 20 gauge double barrel sxs and a .22 lr bolt action...Not a sizable collection but enough to keep the fridge full of bunnies/squirrels/ducks and grouse. both my guns have seen use as a camp guns as well...That being said (and this is just my opinion..not trying to open a can of worms) but I don't see the big deal with registering firearms...Where I live you have to wait 6 months just to get approved for a permit to buy a long gun (That I feel is extreme) but having an official record of who has what...that makes sense I know alot of people who want firearms...who I wouldn't even let hold one..I'm sure as many of the people on this forum know firearms are great responsibility, and just because somone can meet the basic requirements needed to drive to the closest walmart doesnt, that necesarily qualify them to have the scruples to know how to deal with a firearms as part of everyday life...Once again this is just a perspective...This is not to say that I agree with every gun law that comes down the pike I'm just saying, Picture the stupidest most irresponsible person you know...and now give them unlimited access to a world full of firearms....now multiply that by a million, and you've got your average city...Like I said I'm a shooter, a hunter, and a gun owner, I truly enjoy my firearms...I just also have this misfortune of riding the NYC subways everday and I see a million people who I am glad are not at the range or in the woods with me...I don't know maybe I'm just a disgruntled city dweller, anyway no offense to anyone...I respect everybodys beliefs in regards to this issue and please offer me the same courtesy...Just thought I'd put it out there.
I see a big problem with it. I own around 120 firearms x $10.00 x the rest of my life. If I lived to be 60ish it would cost me like $48,000 to keep these firearms plus the hassel every year. Quit taking away my damn constitutional rights.
 
this bill will be interesting, written by Dem's from Philly area. this state is known to be a gun friendly state. and this state is armed to the teeth.
 
it makes you just want to buy the cheap arms (Hi Point) if they take them away so what.
better than taking away those collector pieces.


maybe the Dem's will go after free speech next, lets say $10.00 a word.
 
I see a big problem with it. I own around 120 firearms x $10.00 x the rest of my life. If I lived to be 60ish it would cost me like $48,000 to keep these firearms plus the hassel every year. Quit taking away my damn constitutional rights.

THAT is what I face:grumpy:. TOTAL BULLSHIT another way to rip off gunowners and sportsmen. I own a Ton of guns, my father, grandfather other family members all do. They'd make millions a year off of this....TOTAL BULLSHIT.....I agree ashtxsniper quit taking away my constitutional rights!.

Another thing...PA has one of the largest numbers of hunters in the country, I think this slaps them in the face.
 
i say change the state flag design for the new PA. lets start with maybe a red back ground color so we can see it. and in honor of our workers say some kind of farm tool and how about a construction tool also.
 
This may sound crazy...I wouldn't consider my self a gun guy...I have 2 firearms 1 20 gauge double barrel sxs and a .22 lr bolt action...Not a sizable collection but enough to keep the fridge full of bunnies/squirrels/ducks and grouse. both my guns have seen use as a camp guns as well...That being said (and this is just my opinion..not trying to open a can of worms) but I don't see the big deal with registering firearms...Where I live you have to wait 6 months just to get approved for a permit to buy a long gun (That I feel is extreme) but having an official record of who has what...that makes sense I know alot of people who want firearms...who I wouldn't even let hold one..I'm sure as many of the people on this forum know firearms are great responsibility, and just because somone can meet the basic requirements needed to drive to the closest walmart doesnt, that necesarily qualify them to have the scruples to know how to deal with a firearms as part of everyday life...Once again this is just a perspective...This is not to say that I agree with every gun law that comes down the pike I'm just saying, Picture the stupidest most irresponsible person you know...and now give them unlimited access to a world full of firearms....now multiply that by a million, and you've got your average city...Like I said I'm a shooter, a hunter, and a gun owner, I truly enjoy my firearms...I just also have this misfortune of riding the NYC subways everday and I see a million people who I am glad are not at the range or in the woods with me...I don't know maybe I'm just a disgruntled city dweller, anyway no offense to anyone...I respect everybodys beliefs in regards to this issue and please offer me the same courtesy...Just thought I'd put it out there.

You have a right to you opinion but you do not understand the 2nd Amendment.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Giving just a little creates a slippery slope to which there is no end. The Govt is to make NO LAWS restricting the 2nd Amendment.

What happens if we come to TEOTWAWKI and they come rounding up guns, even your modest 20GA and .22lr. What would you say then when you have no way to hunt for food or protect your family and home?

Any attemp to regulate guns is one step closer to our Govt having total control. The founding fathers wanted us to have guns so we may resisit or overthrow a currup government. Plain and simple. This is how we kicked the British out and became the US of A. The British tried to confiscate guns during the revolution; if the citizens gave in we would be part of England.

How would you like to live under current English weapons laws?

Your gun ownership is a right AND a priveldge. Do not take it lightly.

And No I don't think everyone deserves their 2nd Amendnet rights (insane, criminals etc.) but they already have laws dealing with that and CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY GUN LAWS anyway.
 
Billym I hope you are right, but I don't think you are. This is another attempt to restrict hunting so that an outright ban can be the final step. The same goes for fishing. Sport fishing is doomed in the Monterey Bay Marine Sanctuary along with commercial fishing. Lead sinkers is already on the hit list. Take a look at the map of the Sanctuary to see the influence potential. Proponents of the Sancturay want control of all water west of the continetal devide.
 
I'm originally from PA and my parents still live there. First of all there is no way this will be able to pass and be tolerated by the massive amount of gun owners in PA.

As my dad likes to say "they can have my guns bullets first!";)
Usually I would think he does not mean it... but he just fought off a very bad cancer and he has decided he is too old and life is too precious to put up with any BS. When I mentioned this bill to him he hung up the phone and started calling congresscritters.

I hope that it does pass so the rest of the country can see what will happen to them if this stuff is ever tried again. My guess is that the dems will be voted out in droves and there will be state supreme court rulings about how unconstitutional this is.

The congress people who even propose such legislation should be impeached for lying under oath. They all swore to uphold the constitution of the US and PA.:mad:
 
I don't see the big deal with registering firearms...Where I live you have to wait 6 months just to get approved for a permit to buy a long gun (That I feel is extreme) but having an official record of who has what...that makes sense I know alot of people who want firearms...who I wouldn't even let hold one..I'm sure as many of the people on this forum know firearms are great responsibility, and just because somone can meet the basic requirements needed to drive to the closest walmart doesnt, that necesarily qualify them to have the scruples to know how to deal with a firearms as part of everyday life.

There are several problems with it.

1) As ashtxsniper pointed out, registration costs money. Even if it's free to the end user, it costs money to set up the bureaucratic engine to deal with all those registrations - tax dollars that come out of your pocket. It also gives cops yet another thing to have to deal with that doesn't actually involve a crime being committed, thus using up time that could otherwise be used stopping real crime.

If it's not free, you're basically making it more difficult for the poor to own firearms. Some states want to ban 'Saturday night specials' because they're 'easily obtained' and 'lack safety features.' Newsflash, lots of handguns 'lack safety features' - such as a lot of Glock pistols that are specifically chosen by LEOs because there is not a safety in the way if they have to draw and fire quickly. And those Saturday night specials are often the only guns for self-defense that the poor can afford.


2) In most states that have or have tried registration, it's not meant to ensure that the owner knows how to use the gun - it's meant to reduce crime. The problem is, it doesn't work. Why? Because criminals, being the sort who don't care about laws, aren't going to register their firearms. Here's a link to a .pdf by the Maryland State Police on the myriad failures of their attempt to set up a ballistic fingerprinting registration/database and use it to reduce crime: http://doubletap.cs.umd.edu/~purtilo/ibis.pdf


3) Waiting periods - registration takes time, even if there are no mandatory waiting periods implemented because lawmakers want to have a cooling-off period to prevent crimes of passion. The problem is, what if the person who wants to commit said crime of passion already owns a gun? Or knows someone from whom they can borrow/steal a gun? Then the victim is screwed, because they can't just go to a gun store and pick up a piece with which to defend themselves. They have to struggle through the red tape of registration, or endure the waiting period that's supposed to be saving their life.


4) As I already mentioned, there are no real requirements to demonstrate that you know how to use a gun before you buy one, at least in most states. So the stupid people who would mis-use firearms already have access to them... yet accidental firearm deaths make for a tiny, tiny percentage of deaths in the US each year. We're talking about 1,000 people out of however many millions live here. More people drown each year, but you don't see lawmakers talking about safety locks on bathtubs and swimming pools, or mandatory swimming certification laws. I looked up the stats in a Federal database somewhere, and I can find them again if need be.

If you wanted to address the issue of lack of respect and basic safety skills for firearms use in the public at large (and I do as well), that's easy - put something useful in our public education cirriculum, like a gun safety class, geared towards each grade. Start with the kindergartners, teach them that if they can't tell if it's real or a toy, to not touch it, etc. Then you drill the four rules into their heads until they can recite them like the Pledge by the time they hit high school.


5) Registration leads to confiscation. It already has in England and Australia, and lawmakers here in our own country are trying to do the same thing. For example, in the state of Illinois:
"If passed, HB 2414 would ban the possession of a wide variety of semiautomatic sporting firearms owned by hundreds of thousands of law-abiding Illinois citizens. Under HB 2414, gun owners would have 90 days to surrender their firearms to the police, or face felony prosecution and stiff jail sentences. Any such firearms they surrender would be forfeited without compensation."
The government knows who the gun owners are, presumably because they're required by law to register such arms. To avoid having your firearm(s) taken away without compensation, you'd have to break the law.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ful...um=2414&GAID=8&LegID=17433&SpecSess=&Session=


To sum up, there are a lot of people who are afraid of guns. They wouldn't touch one, but the thing is, they don't want anyone else touching one either. And they will stop at nothing, including cherry-picking statistics and outright lying (you'd be suprised at all the myths surrounding the capabilities of the fifty-calibur rifle that the media and lawmakers like to bandy about in order to scare people), to get laws passed that make it impossible to own a gun.
 
Canada started requiring gun registration for rifles about 10 years ago under a liberal government. The registration ended up costing the country over a billion dollars (set up a whole new bureacracy) and was one of the biggest screw ups in recent times. No evidence was ever produced that gun registration provided for better public safety or provided any other tangible advantage. One election promise by current conservative government is to scrap the long gun registration, but unfortunately it hasn't happened yet.

Gun registration is unuseful, unwanted (except by uninformed liberal types)and wasteful of tax payers money.
 
good points everyone Maybe I'll reconsider my vantage point...I understand the slippery slope theory...I do... this is a sticky issue... Here in NYC I had to jump through a lot of hoops to legally own a firearm...and I apprecite the value of owning them (I'm not some bleeding heart type) and I certainly wouldn't be in favor of confiscation. if they were to ban registration and instead stated that everyone who wished to own a fire arms must attend a free municipal training program in the responsible use and maintenance of one..I would be in favor of that...Anyone else?? but they don't take suggestions from me... wish they did.. Thanks for all the feed back, and thanks for not letting my statement get the dander up it wasn't meant to..
 
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