Really bad potential gun law in PA

"No evidence was ever produced that gun registration provided for better public safety or provided any other tangible advantage"

In fact, the DB that housed that information was cracked more than once, and then, you have god-knows-whom that had/has info relating to every registered gun in Canada by address and name, including mine.
 
I guess living where I do I had accepted the laws as sort of the way they are...seeing it from outside perspectives is interesting. I certainly hope that my posts have not offended anyone or endangered the great relationships I have forged here...I do feel however that more opporrtunities for firearms training would be a wonderfull asset to this country...heck if a municpal ( or commercial) company offered such a course, that I was aware of I'd be first in line.
 
I can't imagine seeing this bill passing in PA. It has some urban areas where crime makes the majority probably favor gun control but with it's large rural population it would be political suicide for any representative of a rural district to vote in favor of it.:rolleyes:
 
That proposed law is ridiculous. I would be in trouble right away if I lived somewhere they tried to enforce such a law. I can't even remember to register my car, much less my guns. I hope that law gets the smackdown in the State legislature. If not, I'm sure a lawsuit to have it overturned would be in the works. I'd like to see some of these things make it to the Supreme Court. I'd like to see the DC gun law that's being challenged make it to the Supreme Court. It seems like there are a lot of laws on the books that are clearly unconstitutional. The gun laws in NYC are perfect examples.
 
555 said:
it makes you just want to buy the cheap arms (Hi Point) if they take them away so what.
better than taking away those collector pieces.


maybe the Dem's will go after free speech next, lets say $10.00 a word.
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They have already done that.

Leon
 
So glad I live in NH where every proposed gun law basically gets destroyed and the state constitution supports gun owners. No registration, no waiting, will-issue LTC cards, castle law, etc etc. live free or die baby....crossing the MA border into NH is like going from a stuffy library to an open field law-wise
 
"The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Art. I, Sec. 21.
 
Good point Tom!

I have to deal with a weird problem where I live less than .75 miles over the NH border. I would have to pay 100$ a year for a nonresident LTC in MA simply to get to my gun club in NH due to how the highways are set up around here unles i wanted to take 5-10 miles of backroads just to stay north of the border. A federal law would protect me if I didnt since my beginning and end of my trip is in NH, but I wouldnt count on your average LEO knowing that law well enough to not be put through hell if pulled over without a LTC in MA.
 
Lol! I had a "catch-22" like that when I lived in Florida. I lived on the tip of a penensula. To hunt, I had to go to the main land. To do so, I had to pass a school whether I went East, or West. South was the Gulf of Mexico with few hunting opportunities. North was Pensacola Bay. So I had to break the law by transporting my guns past a school, or not hunt. I forget now what the law was, but it was like a 100 yard exclusion zone, no tolerance even for state highways. I moved.

Codger
 
Ha Texas just passed the castle law. :D. Here if you have a CCL you can have your weapon on school grounds as long as you dont enter any buildings with it.
 
As horrendous as that proposed legislation is in Pennsylvania, think of what WASHINGTON, DC residents have had to go through since 1974. NO GUNS AT ALL..... not in the schoolgrounds, not on the street, not in your yard, not in your home! Luckily, a court has recently struck down the ban, and it appears maybe good news may be coming to the Capitol.
 
RescueRiley said:
I certainly hope that my posts have not offended anyone...
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Not at all, since you seem willing to listen and consider alternative sources of information. But I sort of got that impression from your other posts anyways. ;)

Any kind of free public firearms education is a fine idea. I would happily pay a tax to support that. Once people realize that guns aren't going to magically jump up and shoot on their own, they tend to like the security of owning one, or at the very least are neutral about it.
 
Man, makes canadas law not seem so bad, Never thought I'd see that. It was nice after they took the regestration or long arms, IE hunting rifle. But you still need the old regestration from the previous owner, and if an officer wants to see the old regestraion and you dont have they take the gun. The new way only really provide any use when buying new guns.
 
There have been a rash of bills introduced in PA since the Philadephia crime problem began making headlines. Most don't get far in the legislativie process, but one of these days, one of these is going to stick and PA sportsmen, gun owners, shooters, and private citizens need to pay attention and be politically active. Don't let the Philadelphia population center legislators rule the rest of the state like you have in NY.

I asked my PA brother about the proposed laws and his reaction was... they won't go anywhere. My belief is they are making more headway than in the past and gun owners and 2A supporters need to be vigilant both at a state level and national level when it comes to these bills and laws.

That $10 a gun thing would really hurt. It would effectively push firearm ownership toward the rich. It is the per year thing... that gets you. Once registered, you will pay your fees or loose your guns. Same as State and Federal taxes.... no pay and you loose. Eventually they find you.

When are these legislators going to learn that gun registration, any form of taxation (fees), lists, excluding certain firearms, etc. does not work in reducing crime in any significant way? It is all about control of the population. It is also about passing laws that on the surface make legislators and citizens feel good; but they have little impact on crime.

A law requiring you to report a firearm stolen? I have no problem with that even though it is a waste of time. They just want to assemble a list and be able to feed the anti-gun people more statistics about stolen guns and crime. As a gun owner, you loose your gun, you are not likely to get it back and the police barely make an effort to help you.... they just say, let your insurance company deal with it. So, what is that portion of the law really about? It is about future gun control legislation.

RescueR: You need to really think about what you truly believe when it comes to gun control measures. As a New Yorker, you are used to laws. Wouldn't you like to own a handgun? Wouldn't you like to be able to just walk into a store and buy a firearm without all the NY red tape? I am not a big lover of the AR type guns for hunting, but when it comes to Second Amendment rights, you have to stand firm. All guns are the same. They may look different, but they are essentially the same relative to the various action types. Restricting one type of firearm such as in the PA legislation over others simply opens the door for future restrictions.
 
"Shall NOT be Infringed"

To make me regsiter and pay $10 per gun is an "infringment".
Taxing ammo=infringement.
Restricting purchases=infringement.

Gun regsitration leads to confiscation. period.
I am not a conspiracy theorist nor a pessimist, but I am a realist.
In all case of guns being banned for use by the populace, the first step is always [cough cough] "registration".

The excuses that it will help control crime are LAME at best.
We have 50 years worth of data that prove nothing of the sort.
Chicago and DC both had the MOST restrictive laws for firearms, yet, steady increases in crimes using firearms.
What should that tell all the "do gooders"??

Look elsewhere, gun control/registration does NOT equal crime control.
Never has, never will.

"Shall NOT be Infringed" that should be the final word.
 
thats like what i heard a friend say "the barret light fiffty's bullets go so fast because it is black and has the big scope" i was like WTF?!?!?!?!?!
 
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