Recommend me a new flipper

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Hello everyone!

I am looking for suggestions on my next "flipper" knife.

I recently got a ZT 0350 and love the thing, love it!

I am interested in getting a smooth, non-assisted flipper for my next purchase.

I would like to throw out the following as things I would "like" to have:

-Flipper of course
-Made in the USA (could possibly bend on this for the right knife i.e. Spyderco Southard)
-S30V steel as a minimum
-non assisted
-smooooooth flipper action
-must be durable for your typical EDC kind of stuff. Im not prying, screwdriving, stabbling concrete, or doing any other such thing with my blades...
-I'd like to keep it below $250, the lower the better :)

Thats it folks, I look forward to the collective's thoughts and thank you all in advance!

-Drew
 
Southard, also Southard. And I'd suggest checking out the Southard. I am biased, though ;)

The ZT 0801 is pretty spiffy too, though. Also, the new Dominos are shipping if you can find one someplace.
 
Southard, also Southard. And I'd suggest checking out the Southard. I am biased, though ;)

The ZT 0801 is pretty spiffy too, though. Also, the new Dominos are shipping if you can find one someplace.

I should have added that I would like to actually be able to buy the knife! Some Spydies are about as rare as hens teeth! Southard is for sure and I am SURE the Domino will be too....
 
ZT801 for sure. As nice as my southard is, the ZT flips better and is just as nice. Meets all your criteria as well.
 
I haven't tried any higher end flippers, but these two affordable ones flip so good that you could fool someone into thinking they were assisted.

CRKT Ripple.

Kershaw Ram.
 
For a good made in the USA flipper knife that is a good user. I really like the Kershaw Knives 1775. Its now super high end steel, but it sharpens very quickly and easily and great flipper, works every time.

Another Vote is the Buck Vantage pro is s30V. The flipper on mine works great and its made in the USA.

Either one of these will not break the bank either :)
 
Thanks for the replys so far!

I must say that I am liking the looks of that ZT 0801!!!
 
Think Fantoni. The review is of the HB01 on here is great. The HB02 is close to your price range.
 
Zero Tolerance 0801 for the high quality at under $200 delivered. Quality Elmax steel blade, titanium handles and frame lock plus a great flipper action.
 
ZT 560! This thing was soooo smoooth out of the box, i got one of those goofy grins you get from being too happy with something lol
 
Not surprising that everyone recommends the ZT 0801 and the Southard. They're the two best production flippers I know of. I think the Southard is just a little nicer with a little better quality and fit and finish. The 801 is also close to perfect, but it just doesn't get as close to custom "feel" as the Southard, IMO. I just think the Southard is a little more interesting and unique and just has the little "extra". Still, I'm almost as obsessed with the 801 right now as I was with the Southard when it came out. I'm STILL obsessed with the Southard, though, so that says something.

As far as flipping action, the 801 is great for that uninhibited flipping action that just flies open every time. It has a great detent and flips almost as good as any other knife I've owned. The Southard is up there too, and has a more comfortable flipper, though. They're both insanely fun to flip. The Southard has kind of a mix of bearings with "hydraulic" smoothness of a CRK, which I really like. Just different from the 801, but equally enjoyable. I can see why some people might say the 801 flips better, though. A non-knife person could flip the 801 open first try. It's crazy fast and uninhibited. But the Southard is almost more enjoyable in it's feel, to me.

Both great knives and I'm in love with both, but the Southard has a more special feel to it to me. Especially with the much lighter weight and MUCH better blade steel, I think it has an edge. But they're both made by two of my favorite knife designers and two of the best makers of all time. Both knives represent those two designers' styles well and my 801 is closer to the "custom" feel now that I've satin polished all of the hardware/clip/pivot/etc. I'm thinking about hand rubbing the blade to really make it like a real Rexford.

Speaking of blade steel, I haven't had the 801 long enough to know how the Elmax is on it, but if it's similar to the Elmax on other ZT offering, then it will be the biggest downfall of the 801. I didn't think the Elmax on the 551 and 560/561 were very good at all. Not terribly bad, but any better than S30V (in fact, worse than most S30V, in my experience). I think it's just a super hyped up steel because it has an identifiable name that sounds cool. But without a great heat treat, I don't think it's very special. Definitely nowhere near as good as the Southard's outstanding CTS-204P, which is a true "super steel", in my opinion. Oh, and the other minor downfall of the 801 in comparison is the sort of thick blade grind. It's a decent cutter, but the Southard has a very nice and lean edge for a production knife (especially for one with thick blade stock). The CTS-204P and that thin grind are definitely much preferable to the comparably thick grind and Elmax of the 801.

I don't mean to bash the 801, though, because I think it will become one of my favorite production knives and it is truly outstanding. The best regular production knife ZT has done by far. I'm falling in love with the thing quickly and I highly recommend it. But we're comparing it to my favorite production knife of all time.
 
I agree with a lot of what A.Dragg says except for the his take on the ZT Elmax.

No doubt the Southard's CTS-204P steel which is very similar to M390 is better. The flipper actions on both are outstanding in different ways. ZT 0801 snappy and Southard smooth.

Southard is my favorite regular production Spyderco and ZT 0801 my favorite regular production Zero Tolerance. Overall edge to Southard because it's lighter, slimmer and narrower profile than ZT 0801 (or for that matter most Spydercos).

Southard is thus better for EDC.

The reason I picked the ZT 0801 is simply because of the price and availability. Southards command a hefty premium right now.

You cannot go wrong with either. Great quality from two quality companies.
 
Another thing to consider between the 2 are how they carry in the pocket. I don't worry about weight as long as it sits nicely in the pocket. I like a little deeper carry as well.

I personally HATE the stock clip on the southard. Looks good on the knife but carries at a weird angle and pretty far out of the pocket. I switched to an STR deep carry clip and it makes the knife 10x better to carry. Although the clip on the 801 doesn't look great, I like how it carries. These 2 knives are actually my main 2 carries outside of work. I would never carry the southard while wearing shorts with the stock clip though because of the weird angle of the carry combined with the generally shallow pockets of shorts.

I definitely agree with most of the above. You really can't go wrong with either. Kershawguy has the 801 in stock though if you can't get lucky and snag a southard somewhere for a good price.
 
It doesnt matter what steel you have on a knife if it isnt properly heat treated elmax has earned high regards not from production knives like zt but from custom makers that do better heat treats etc
Southards pop up ridiculously often so idk why you would have trouble finding 1 theyre usually right at 250$ while the zt 0801 will run around 190$ both will serve you just fine just depends on personally preferences
 
Best bang for the buck flipper I think is the Kershaw junkyard dog at only $80.
But if you could spend $350 the Brous Blades reloader is one of my favorite flippers.
 
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Best bang for the buck flipper I think is the Kershaw junkyard dog at only $80.

They're nice for the price. Composite blade of CPM-D2 edge 3.75") in bead blast or black blade.

Best bang for the buck flipper I think is the Kershaw junkyard dog at only $80.
But if you could spend $350 the Brous Blades reloader is one of my favorite flippers.

Kind of bulky and definitely above $250.
 
Southards pop up ridiculously often so idk why you would have trouble finding 1 theyre usually right at 250$ while the zt 0801 will run around 190$ both will serve you just fine just depends on personally preferences

BNIB Southards command $300+.
 
I would say get the zt 801. Its available now and its a great flipper. IMHO the southard and zt801 are the best two production flippers going at the moment.
 
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