Recommend me an edge pro format reprofiling stone

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Hi,

I have been using a guided sharpening system for a while, and I do a lot of reprofiling as I like low angle secondary bevel edges better.

So far, I was using a stock stone for reprofiling that came with my sharpening system, Suehiro 180 SiC, which removes metal extremely fast, but also dish very quickly. So quick that, it is quite easy to get an uneven surface in a few passes during the sharpening if not used the entire length of the stone. A a result of fast dishing this is a very messy stone capable of messing up entire work top. I have almost used up this stone, so I was in search for a similarly cutting stone with less dishing and with higher overall quality.

I ordered Venen Centaur 80 + 150 and Boride T2 150 as a replacement. However, neither of stones performed as expected. T2 150 seems to have very hard bonding and does not cut quickly at all. I spent 2 hours on a task which the same thing could be done with Suehiro 180Sic in 10-15 mins. It gives a better scracth pattern and it is not messy at all, but it is useless for my intendent purpose. Similarly, Venev Centaur did not perform as expected. It cuts faster than T2 150 but nowhere as fast as Suehire 180 eventhough the grit rating is far coarser. Despite not cutting as fast, that stone tend to leave deep scracth marks on steel. Additionally, it is not exactly edge pro format stone making its use a bit more delicate. Both of these stones lapped twice with loose SiC particles and been used on a quite few knives. So, they are suppoed to be in their optimal state by now. Since these stones are not performing as expected, I am in the market for replacement stones. I need a fast cutting stone with tolerable dishing speed, I do not know if it makes difference at that grit rating but I would prefer SiC as I plan to use it on PM steels as well. If it does not make a difference, AOx would be fine. I guess two stones with two different grits might be a good idea. My Chosera set starts from 400 grit and my resin bonded CBN set starts from 63/50 micron. So, I think the ideal stone should be something like 120 grit, and 220 grit can be considered as an optional stone when 120 is not mandatory. I was thinking of getting Boride CS-HD 120 and 220 but I am not too sure how they work. I would not mind getting a more expensive stone if it works great! I am quite happy with my Choseras that I wish they made lower grit ratings.

I would like to hear your opinions before making any other wrong purhase decision.

Thanks for all the help!
 
A great all-round re-profiling stone (that won't be too aggressive damaging your edge) is the Poltava CBN metallic Bonded 120 stone available from Gritomatic. It's expensive, but a great stone. They are not plated, the CBN is inside a metal bond, mounted on aluminum blanks.

If you don't want to spend that much, then I suggest getting a few low-ish grit Chinese diamond plated stones and using them with soapy water while sharpening. Maybe 80, 100 or 120 grit. They work very well and are very inexpensive but they sometimes can cause deeper grind marks and tiny chipping that will have to be cleaned up. Even the plain old plastic backed ones do a good job of re-profiling.
 
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Basic diamond plate like the ones Edge Pro sells (which are Eze-Lap as I recall) would work. CKTG also sells more aggressive grit diamond hones on a backing for the Edge Pro. At least they did when I last purchased any.
 
I got the Edge Pro brand low grit diamond plate and it works well for re-profiling. I don’t use diamonds much but my impression is that as long as you don’t use too much pressure they should last a long time.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions.

I have the lowest grit Venev Centaur double-sided diamond stones and they do not remove as fast as 180 grit Suehiro 180 SiC. Venev Centaur is a resin bonded diamond stone and even that gives deep scratches, so I can not see myself using very coarse electroplated diamond for reprofiling.
 
With consideration that you've mentioned you like SiC stones, you might want to give Congress MoldMaster Stones a try (a harder SiC stone at about $3/stone). I glued up a set to 6-3/8" aluminum blanks a few years back (3M 77 Spray Adhesive) based on references from Jim Ankerson "Ranking of Steels" testing that he has been documenting over the last decade plus. Couple links below.

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Reference Info:
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Congress Hard Silicone Carbide Stones

Ankerson Ranking Of Steels thread
 
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you might want to give Congress MoldMaster Stones a try (a harder SiC stone at about $3/stone). I glued up a set to 6-3/8" aluminum blanks a few years back (3M 77 Spray Adhesive)
I have seen this done by a few people, and have heard nothing but good reports with the results. If i could get them over here would try some myself, but alas no delivery to these climes at present.
 
bumping this up, what stones do y’all recommend for reprofiling ? I’m looking for something that will cut fast and is already mounted to the backing plates . If available on Amazon even better .

Reprofiled a Busse with the edge pro apex 120 stone and took forever
 
bumping this up, what stones do y’all recommend for reprofiling ? I’m looking for something that will cut fast and is already mounted to the backing plates . If available on Amazon even better .

Reprofiled a Busse with the edge pro apex 120 stone and took forever
I use the 120 grit diamond plate sold by Chefs Knives to Go. Costs about $10.

O.B.
 
One of the best all-round re-profiling stones is the Poltava CBN metallic Bonded 120 stone available from Gritomatic. It's expensive, but a great stone. They are not plated, the CBN is inside a metal bond, mounted on aluminum blanks.

If you don't want to spend that much, then I suggest getting a few low-ish grit Chinese diamond plated stones and using them with soapy water while sharpening. Maybe 80, 100 or 120 grit. They work very well and are very inexpensive. Even the plain old plastic backed ones do a good job of re-profiling.

I was in your position a few months ago and saw this post. Edge is right about the Poltava. It's way faster than the Venev 150 and the scratch pattern is easier to clean up. Be careful the first few times you use it or you may remove more material than you have to.
 
I have a set of Hapstone Premium CBN on order and when I get some time I'll see how they compare with my Poltava stones when I get them.
Just curious if you had a chance to settle in with the Hapstone premium cbn stones? I'm looking for something that is durable and cuts faster than my broken in Atoma 140 and my venev resin bonded diamond 100. They are just too slow when doing major reprofiling. Hapstone premium stones are considerably cheaper than the poltava and veneve metal bonded if bought direct, but what little information I can find points to them being less aggressive than the poltava stones and I can't find any info on the venev metal bonded cbn or diamond stones at all. Can't decide if I should just bite the bullet and get a poltava or venev cbn, or maybe a venev metallic diamond stone.
 
Just curious if you had a chance to settle in with the Hapstone premium cbn stones? I'm looking for something that is durable and cuts faster than my broken in Atoma 140 and my venev resin bonded diamond 100. They are just too slow when doing major reprofiling. Hapstone premium stones are considerably cheaper than the poltava and veneve metal bonded if bought direct, but what little information I can find points to them being less aggressive than the poltava stones and I can't find any info on the venev metal bonded cbn or diamond stones at all. Can't decide if I should just bite the bullet and get a poltava or venev cbn, or maybe a venev metallic diamond stone.
I haven't posted about them as I haven't truly formulated a clear favorite yet....in all honesty, I'm finding it hard to pick a favorite between the three. The Hapstone Premium stones and the Venev metallic bonded seemed faster initially but my Poltava stones are much more well used (and I haven't done a deep resurfacing on them recently) than the Hapstone premiums or Venev metallic bonded stones...so that would make them more equal in speed. Any of those three stone types seem to do a fairly similar job speed-wise.

If you're mostly after a metal removing re-profiling stone, then I really suggest getting some cheap low grit diamond plates and taking them to town on whatever you need to reprofile. If they wear out over time, they are very cheap to replace. After the major work is done with one of them, then move on to something more premium like the Hapstone premiums / Poltavas / Venevs to refine the edge.

You already seem to have Venev resin bonded stones, so I don't think you really need anything other than some low grit cheap diamond plates and your Venev diamond resin stones. You'll get fast re-profiling and great final edges with that combination.
 
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I haven't posted about them as I haven't truly formulated a clear favorite yet....in all honesty, I'm finding it hard to pick a favorite between the three. The Hapstone Premium stones and the Venev metallic bonded seemed faster initially but my Poltava stones are much more well used (and I haven't done a deep resurfacing on them recently) than the Hapstone premiums or Venev metallic bonded stones...so that would make them more equal in speed. Any of those three stone types seem to do a fairly similar job speed-wise.

If you're mostly after a metal removing re-profiling stone, then I really suggest getting some cheap low grit diamond plates and taking them to town on whatever you need to reprofile. If they wear out over time, they are very cheap to replace. After the major work is done with one of them, then move on to something more premium like the Hapstone premiums / Poltavas / Venevs to refine the edge.

You already seem to have Venev resin bonded stones, so I don't think you really need anything other than some low grit cheap diamond plates and your Venev diamond resin stones. You'll get fast re-profiling and great final edges with that combination.
Thanks again. You're an encyclopedia of sharpening information and I appreciate your knowledge when searching fails me.
 
Hello
before you compare stones, compare their different parameters (all 3mm thick, concentration 100%, all made in Poltava):
Poltava Premium Metallic CBN - metal bond, blank 3 mm
Hapstone Premium CBN - metal-resin bond, blank 4 mm
CBN sharpening stone combined bond - metal-resin bond, blank 4mm
metal bonds are too hard for fine grain sizes
Poltava was/is always superior to Venev

 
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