recommendations for a cheap, but decent quality folder

I have to disagree. I would never take the Kabar over the Spydie. Aus 8 over VG-10?? Hell no, not for me. I know the FRN doesn't feel expensive or classy. It feels cheap. It is cheap. It's also extremly lightweight and durable and grippy. So Kabar managed to get theres to feel less cheap? Hard to beleive, but I'll take your word. Still having never handled the Kabar heres my reasons for going with the Spyderco:

1. VG-10 Steel
2. More ergonomic handle. (Having never held it.)
3. Hole instead of thumbstud.
4. Flat Grind (the Kabar appears to be hollow ground.)
5. Boye Dent in locking lever.
6. A choil between edge and handle for choking up, and in case of lock break you won't lose your fingers (not a true choil, but a large enough flat space)
-Kevin
 
I have to disagree. I would never take the Kabar over the Spydie.

What can I say? I just can't get over the cheap feel of the FRN Spydies. As well as they perform, and as reliable and sturdy as they are, they feel like cheap Chinese knock-offs in my hand. The Kabar feels MUCH sturdier.

The Kabar also has an adjustable pivot, instead of the Spydie "dead when it loosens" rivet. I’ve had too many rivets (of various brands) loosen on me over the years, to ever want a riveted pivot again. The adjustable pivot alone is worth the price of admission for me.

As far as steel goes, I'd prefer VG-10, but I could live with Kabar’s AUS-8. The heat treat is very good.
 
What can I say? I just can't get over the cheap feel of the FRN Spydies. As well as they perform, and as reliable and sturdy as they are, they feel like cheap Chinese knock-offs in my hand. The Kabar feels MUCH sturdier.

The Kabar also has an adjustable pivot, instead of the Spydie "dead when it loosens" rivet. I’ve had too many rivets (of various brands) loosen on me over the years, to ever want a riveted pivot again. The adjustable pivot alone is worth the price of admission for me.

As far as steel goes, I'd prefer VG-10, but I could live with Kabar’s AUS-8. The heat treat is very good.

Oh well, can't win them all over to the Delica/Endura fan club. :p
-Kevin
 
I have the Kabar Dozier in drop point and there isn't a better knife that I am aware of for under $20. The Delica is very similar, probably better, but $40. The $20 Kershaw Vapor and $25 Vapor II are extremely nice at their price point, but I don't like AUS 6. Since I only have those two in Aus 6, I could have gotten a bad heat treat batch. Still, great knives for the money, and right down the road at Wally World. I also had the Buck Odyssey prior to it being ATS34, and a Gerber EZ Out, but can't remember their prices. I like the EZ Out least of all off this list. Be aware that Buck Knives has a zero BS, no fine print, lifetime warranty. Enjoy.
 
Originally posted by Morgoth412
... my reasons for going with the Spyderco...

6. A choil between edge and handle for choking up, and in case of lock break you won't lose your fingers (not a true choil, but a large enough flat space)
-Kevin

This is an interesting observation, and one I hadn't considered... the advantage of a choil, unrelated to sharpening. So thanks for pointing that out.

Here's to stout locks... Skol!

This has turned into a very useful thread for me personally... so thanks... and keep the info coming.
 
The Kershaw Vapor... is this thing an integral lock, or a liner lock?

Always a concern on the low priced models: How is the lockup?
 
You're welcome for the comment.

The Kershaw Vapor is a framelock. I don't own one, but by all accounts I've heard this knife is good quality.
-Kevin
Edit: A framelock is an integral lock in case that was not clear.
 
Originally posted by Morgoth412
The Kershaw Vapor is a framelock. -Kevin
Edit: A framelock is an integral lock in case that was not clear.
Yes, understood, but thanks for clarification. I own 4 Sebenza's and a Darrel Ralph EDC. Just looking for a cheapie or two for me, maybe one for my brother. I hadn't kept up with the less expensive end of the knife spectrum, so this thread has been quite helpful to me. (that wasn't intended to sound snooty, by the way).

Will be interesting to see if the Vapor can be made precisely enough to yield a serviceable, safe lock at that price point.

Hopefully the thread will be helpful to others via the search engine.

Well, WTF... here's some keywords:

Search engine:
cheap inexpensive
decent good quality
small folder folding knife
AUS-6 AUS-8 VG-10 ATS-34 154CM
liner integral framelock spine rocker bar locking lever
 
Sure enough, I picked up a small Kershaw Vapor at Wal-Mart for $20. They had two, one had a better lockup, SOLD.

This is an interestingly good knife for $20. Made in China, that's how they bring to market at $20 at Wal-Mart. I'm guessing the Chinese sell these to Kershaw for $3-$4, or less. Amazing.

The lockup is pretty ok for a cheapie. Integral / frame lock. Lock tension certainly is lower than a Sebenza or the Benchmade Pinnacle, etc.

AUS-6 felt butter soft under diamond stones. Burr was easy to raise, took some persistence to cut it off finally, but did finally get a good clean shaving edge.

The design of this little knife is quite good, flows well, fits hand well, but that's Onion at work.

Blade is flat ground surprisingly, and of course the plunge shows no definition, the line around the plunge is a blur, rounded over. The blade shape is ok if you like recurves, but the tip isn't very sharply ground... looks like the final edge bevel was put on by hand, and the grinder (the person) rotated the knife and put a steep angle right at the last 2mm of edge at the tip, kind of blunting it's potential pointiness.

Pocket clip is fine... works well, is screwed to the handle very snugly against end of handle, so rides low in pocket (a good thing, IMO). Screws used for clip are big round heads, but what the heck for $20.

The thumb stud is sort of a stacked cone of concentric circles like the Sebenza, but minus the little fine edges that Reeve gets onto his stud. This stud works fine for $20.

Handle has serrations for thumb in saber grip, and near top/butt of handle, ostensibly for reverse grip.

The knife is a bit heavy for it's small size, but that's because I'm used to titanium metal handles and these are assuredly stainless (410) based on weight (and cost... did I mention this is a $20 knife?). Knife is pleasantly thin if that is something you like.

Tang lockup angle is a bit steep, lock covers 1/2 of tang, but is only about 1/2 engaged, so it will wear in fine over time but I might tweak this with a file a bit to get a fuller lockup. Lock on this one has enough friction to stay behind the tang, the other one at Wal-Mart was looser, less friction at lockup, easier to release (not dramatically so, but not a good thing either IMO).

Overall finish is bead blasted... a good approach in keeping it at $20.

I haven't tested the blade steel quality by using it yet (bought yesterday), but have low expectations for AUS-6 to start with, and am sure it'll be a very mediocre edge holder at Rc56-57 (and indeed, under the diamond stones, it's soft... only took a few minutes to reprofile to 20 deg per side). AUS-6 is a simple stainless steel: 0.55% - 0.65% carbon, 13-14.5% chrome, 1% manganese (hardenability, tensile strength) & silicon (tensile strength, toughness), 0.5% nickel (corrosion resistance).

AUS-6 has no molybdenum or vanadium like AUS-8 has. AUS-6 is basically like 420Mod and 425Mod, minus a bit of Moly and Vanadium. So it's very simple stuff, just a hardenable stainless austenitic with a dab of nickel.

Seems like this would be a good cheapie to take on a fishing trip, not for cleaning fish, just as a low-dollar-risk-if-dropped-into-the-drink folder for utility uses (cleaning fish guts out from under fingernails, cutting tie wraps, opening potato chip bags, cutting braided line).

Overall, a pretty high quality knife for $20 with a fairly strong and potentially good lock (with a bit of a tweak), but with cheap steel.
 
That is exactly how I would have described my Vapors had I been able. It is extremely helpful to be familiar with a knife and then have someone articulate that which one sees and senses yet is nonetheless unutterable. Thanks, rdangerer. Both of mine now have full tang engagement after making it into the EDC rotation. They were somewhat difficult to open at first, but now are fast flickers. I gently sanded the edges of the sharp thumbstuds and like them better. I also sanded them flush with the scales and found them to be hollow. Oh well. No problems, no worries, no brainer.
 
Originally posted by stich
... sharp thumbstuds ... sanded them flush with the scales and found them to be hollow.
Hollow! No $#!+. Well, again, for $20, I guess they either cast or die punched these little thumbstuds to shape, rather than having machined them out of bar stock. I guess that's what you do to keep the cost from China down.
 
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