Recommendations on first knife

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Hello everyone! I finally started making my first knife. Right now I only have a rough shape cut out. I messed up by accidentally cutting off the finger guard. I did clean up the knife a little more, the index finger groove is a little deeper now, and took a little more off the blade section. (I'll upload a new picture shorterly) My question is, if I bring the blade down a little more, but keeping that area where the finger guard would be, would it be possible to make a salvageable first blade? Any recommendations or tips would be appreciated.
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Here is an idea I came up with any thoughts?

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P.S. Since I mentioned to my friend I am trying to make a knife, he opened up his garage to me. He is a mechanic so his shop (business) has many, many tools. including belt grinders, air tools, drill presses, torches (not needed but who doesn't like fire anyways?) etc.
 
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I think you're on the right track. I might consider taking a little of the belly out of the handle, but that's pretty much a matter of preference. Have fun!

Dick
 
I am pleased to hear my brain storming is on the right path with my "projected" lines. It's a lot more work than I anticipated, and with something that takes this much time I want to do it right instead of saying "good enough". I do agree with you on the belly of the handle, since with the index finger section revision, the belly will be a little pudgy.

With the initial bevel, is their any special technique to keep it even without over or under doing it? It would be a shame to get the whole thing cleaned up and the bevel being ruined.
 
I like the general design, a no nonsense multi use tool!

The way the tang drops down might make it hard to actually use on a flat surface since your fingers will be in the way. So
i'd agree taking out some belly might make sense.
 
I am pleased to hear my brain storming is on the right path with my "projected" lines. It's a lot more work than I anticipated, and with something that takes this much time I want to do it right instead of saying "good enough". I do agree with you on the belly of the handle, since with the index finger section revision, the belly will be a little pudgy.

With the initial bevel, is their any special technique to keep it even without over or under doing it? It would be a shame to get the whole thing cleaned up and the bevel being ruined.

Take a drill bit that is slightly thinner than your stock. Take some black paint and lightly spray coat the cutting edge. When its dry, lay the stock and drill on a flat surface and run the sharp part along the cutting edge. Flip the blade around and do it again. You should have two lines. Then, grind the cutting edge at about 45 degrees on both sides evenly until you hit the center lines. There should be a 0.5 to 1 mm "edge" between the two lines . This is your centerline before heat treating. If you go thinner the edge may become wiggly or wavy in HT. Spray paint a thin coat on both 45 degree sides and the blade itself.

Now get one of the small wrenches that clamp shut and don't open until you press the release lever. Place it where you want your ricasso to be and angle it in the angle your ricasso should be. Use the drill bit to mark your plunge line. You can also use a chainsaw file to file your ricasso before you grind, same technique as for the bevel grind below. file with less and less angle so your ricasso line creeps up to where you want it. Properly done you use a tool for this called a file guide instead of the wrench. Either keep the wrench in place when grinding but it can get in the way or free hand it but its easy to screw up the plunge cut line :)

Hold the knife in your left hand lightly only for positioning it. Hold it against the belt and use your finger (or a piece of thin wood along the cutting edge. Angle the blade and put pressure exactly on the point where the end of the 45 degree part goes into the blade. You should be holding the blade at around 7 to 10 degrees compared to the belt. Draw a black thin line across your belt. It should be parallel across the belt. Now, place your blade along that line and draw it out to your left. When you reach the curve on your blade keep the blade parallel to the drawn line. This mean you must twist the workpiece clockwise to keep it parallel. Ease up on the pushing pressure towards the pointy end. Practice this 20 times on both sides.

Get an old pan full of water to cool the blade when it gets too hot.

Turn on the belt and go for it. After every pass, check your blade. Where you placed it on the belt it will be silver. Vary the angle and pressure point to creep the silver up and down (mostly up at first) . At first it will be hard and quite tippy feeling. Then, as you get more flat it becomes stable and you can start varying the angle to get where you want.

When you get close, use very light pressure right in the middle of the flat until you get the grind to your marked grind lines at the cutting edge and wherever you marked the top unless its a full flat then there should be no mor spraypaint left over.

Send to heat treating. Repeat the above until its really thin, making sure to go slow and even and cool after every pass. Else you might damage the heat treat or only the tip making for a knife that sharpens and dulls very easy.

Its mostly practice its not that hard, go for it. If in doubt, just practice on a flat cheap bar of soft metal that your friend has laying around.
 
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So, I finally got a little more time to play with the knife again, I cleaned it up a little bit, and added the bevel. I got one side pretty well, and the other... not as well(First side was the worst; got the hang of it). I feel if I play with it a little more i'll get it right and i'll be happier with the results. I also want to lower the belly on the handle a bit more to give it a better flow as mentioned earlier. My next step in my plan is to drill my holes soon and prepare for HT hopefully in the next few days. -- Regarding my plunge line, would anyone recommend keeping plunge line straight from the belt grinder, or pull out the rat-tail file and make it "cut-out" as shown in this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baYu1Yyzr-o


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Thank you Bladesmth, it's coming along slowly. For the belt grinder, I am using a 1'' Wilton Combo Bench Belt and Disc Sander, as it is the only one I have available. So I am also debating if it's possible to make the blade a flat grind, I like the looks of that but not 100% sure how to go about doing it
 
That side that is a bit wobbly is no problem. Just minutely walk the bevel back towards the spine with straight pulls. You'll have to do the same on the other as well.
 
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