Regulations that govern autos vs. assisted vs. lever openers

I didn't insult anyone. I said you should read what you posted. And you should.

The ET I had opened like any other knife that has a thumbstud. It closed weird and cut me every time I closed it.
 
Knife laws themselves exist in an area of bizarre legal standing. Analyzing their meaning is a dead-end exercize. If it flies, it's a bird or a bug or a plane. We know how they do it. There is no why.

Ask the wrong question, get the wrong answer. Knife laws are like trolling: they only exist to obstruct.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Knife laws themselves exist in an area of bizarre legal standing. Analyzing their meaning is a dead-end exercize. If it flies, it's a bird or a bug or a plane. We know how they do it. There is no why.

Ask the wrong question, get the wrong answer. Knife laws are like trolling: they only exist to obstruct.
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I didn't post this in knife laws, that was only a portion of the topic.

In regards to the laws, they either exist or they do not. There is legal precedent for assisted openers, I was asking if there were any for these. If there aren't any, then there aren't any.

There is zero to argue about in this topic.
 
AntDog said:
I didn't insult anyone. I said you should read what you posted. And you should.

The ET I had opened like any other knife that has a thumbstud. It closed weird and cut me every time I closed it.
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I read what I posted, which doesn't match the reality: These aren't classified as switchblades, even though they meet the exact language of the law. There is no answer in that. Does not compute.

Here's the other way to open it. Fast forward to 2:25:
[video=youtube;eCmc0eK0Fug]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCmc0eK0Fug[/video]
Like the Camillus, a small movement of a lever deploys the blade all the way.

Which "crap" are you referring to?
 
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Relax RX-74G, it's not illegal to make or own these knives, it's just illegal to pack them around town in your pocket, right? :) Or is it the other way around...:confused:

So then you just need to know how tight or loose your local laws are concerning the interpretation of a "switchblade."

Are you saying that you were going to patent a knife opening system but the idea was shot down by your lawyer who referenced the switchblade act, and then later on, knife companies started using your design?
 
Mecha said:
Relax RX-74G, it's not illegal to make or own these knives, it's just illegal to pack them around town in your pocket, right? :) Or is it the other way around...:confused:

So then you just need to know how tight or loose your local laws are concerning the interpretation of a "switchblade."

Are you saying that you were going to patent a knife opening system but the idea was shot down by your lawyer who referenced the switchblade act, and then later on, knife companies started using your design?
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No, the LevRLok preceded my design, but not knowing about the LevRLok at the time I simply agreed with the lawyer that the language was pretty clear. So I stopped work on my design, which isn't anything like the LevRLok, Kershaw OD-1 or E.T.

It appears that the Switchblade Act's language just isn't applied to non-sprung knives. Here's a good article about the 100+ year old history of this type of mechanism, including the author's musings about their potential to be considered Switchblades:
http://www.oregonknifeclub.org/Newsletter 0303.pdf
 
Interesting article. Is your design still unique? It would be neat to see a schematic.
 
RX-79G said:
Yes, but I don't think that would be a good idea.
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Aww c'mon! I didn't balk at revealing my Large Bore Thumb Stud opening design, or L.B.T.S. for short. Post it up, you could be the next FFK!
 
RX-79G said:
Yes, but I don't think that would be a good idea.
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Just because a lawyer friend of yours said such & such you stopped the whole project?

I thought you were a naval aviator:confused:
Anyone in the service would know that Auto/Switchblades were issued/allowed to certain troops and pilots in our armed forces.

So we are waiting to see this marvelous design & still waiting to see one of your knives that you made too.
 
Rhinoknives1 said:
Just because a lawyer friend of yours said such & such you stopped the whole project?

I thought you were a naval aviator:confused:
Anyone in the service would know that Auto/Switchblades were issued/allowed to certain troops and pilots in our armed forces.

So we are waiting to see this marvelous design & still waiting to see one of your knives that you made too.
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I don't understand. If I was seeking a patent because I felt the design was that original, why would I post it on the internet?

As far as a knife for military, that's a pretty limited market, and not one where an almost switchblade would be better than a real auto. The point of the design was to get some of the advantages of an auto while being considerably more mareketable. Just as assisted knives have done.

This is the second knife I ever forged, and maybe forth I constructed from scratch made. I still love using it:

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This was a commission for a friend, that I posted before:
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Well its nice to see some of your work.

Weather or not its a marketable idea has nothing to do with you being able to get a patent.
Also the Gubermint Gravy Train is NOT a limited market. More millionaires have been made selling to our Gubermint than any other market.

A Naval Aviator should know that.
 
Rhinoknives1 said:
Well its nice to see some of your work.

Weather or not its a marketable idea has nothing to do with you being able to get a patent.
Also the Gubermint Gravy Train is NOT a limited market. More millionaires have been made selling to our Gubermint than any other market.

A Naval Aviator should know that.
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Bothering with the expense of a patent is a waste of money if you don't see a market. The mechanism I came up with was civilian in nature. I may dust it off - don't know.

As a veteran, I can tell you I didn't see any gravy train for small businesses.
 
Nice article. One comment, the top black handle knife in the picture ( with the sarco ) was made in China in the 1990s. It came with the all plastic handle as pictured and with a rubber handle with a top stainless steel bolster. They have a coil spring in the top near the lever. I would consider them a switchblade and they could be argued to be an assisted opener, but they are spring powered.....Different from the type of opening system the others used
 
tom19176 said:
Nice article. One comment, the top black handle knife in the picture ( with the sarco ) was made in China in the 1990s. It came with the all plastic handle as pictured and with a rubber handle with a top stainless steel bolster. They have a coil spring in the top near the lever. I would consider them a switchblade and they could be argued to be an assisted opener, but they are spring powered.....Different from the type of opening system the others used
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Is this the same mechanism, or a different Sarco?

[video=youtube;tDx6exm97e8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDx6exm97e8[/video]



I guess different. The Sarco you're talking about looks like you open it by pulling the pommel out?
 
The Sarco Rollx is one of my favorites! It is not any way spring loaded or lever....It simply allows you to open it with a ball attachment to the blade. It also locks and release the lock the same way.
 
tom19176 said:
The Sarco Rollx is one of my favorites! It is not any way spring loaded or lever....It simply allows you to open it with a ball attachment to the blade. It also locks and release the lock the same way.
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You were talking about the other knife! Sorry. Yeah, a spring is likely to draw some attention if it powers the blade.
 
I am not sure if that was a coincidence or not but funny! L.B.T.S

And interesting, I have never heard of the levrlock, jynxies!
Mecha said:
Aww c'mon! I didn't balk at revealing my Large Bore Thumb Stud opening design, or L.B.T.S. for short. Post it up, you could be the next FFK!
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