Reloading....

Greetings all,

I think it is time for me to take up reloading. I would be mainly interested in reloading 12ga. and .45acp. The other calibers I have are .38spec and .380 for handguns, and .308 for rifle. Also have 20ga. and .410 shotguns, but don't shoot them much.

So... WHAT DO I NEED? Brands? types? where buy reloading supplies? how much room do I need?

Looking forward to your advice, opinions and replies.

Mongo

Mongo you've gotten some great advice, I hopefully won't repeat too much, except where stressing something important, I'll try and answer in order too.

12ga you can get cheap enough at wally world and the like that unless you shoot competitively it isn't worth it. I've actually talked to competitive shooting buddies that recommended I not bother. If you were shooting a lot of 20 and 410 it might be worth it.

Of the pistol calibers you mentioned the 380 and 38 special will save you the most money, as with everything volume matters, but the 380 and 38 are usually more costly and less options for buying ammo than the 45 so you'll save more hand loading them. 308 I'd ask what kind of rifle, is it a bolt action hunting rifle? Is it a semi-auto AR type? (believe it or not some guys will pick primers based on which type of rifle they're going to use. i.e. CCI primers have a harder cup, the metal portion, and stand up better to slamming around in a semi-auto, some guys like federal for their bolt action rifles because they have the most sensitive primer mixture. I've used all three for my rifles and so far haven't developed a preference). If you're shooting the 308 in low volume I wouldn't bother loading for it, it is a military round and bulk ammo is cheap (relatively right :) )

GET A PROGRESSIVE! (DILLON!) If you really want to reload don't bother with anything else, my buddy just got a dillon (can't remember if 450 or 550) so that we could start loading pistols again. If you figure the hundreds you're going to spend on getting everything you need to do it then the volume you're going to shoot, and your ability to work overtime you can figure out pretty quick if reloading is worth it. If you figure 14 cents more or less for the 45 per round saved you know that you'll save about 120 if you shoot 1000rds. The larger amounts you buy the better your savings, I recommend buy and shoot A LOT :D

I like RCBS dies, but there are others that are good, and dillon also makes dies. Look if you have any local suppliers that will save you on shipping and hazmat, if not then try and buy larger quantities to get discounts or waivers on shipping/hasmat. midway, natchez, cabelas, huntingtons (iirc) and other sell online. sinclair sells some fancy reloading stuff.

You really don't need a lot of room, a 2'x4' work bench setup correctly and kept clean is sufficient. both my single stage presses (an old RCBS Jr. and a Forster Co-Ax are setup on stands so I can move them). Personally I think the most important things are a clean, hard floor (I had a buddy that had to do reloading in his living room for a while and he'd put down a sheet). Not just because it is messy, but you WILL drop powder and will drop primers, both of which you want to be able to vacuum/sweep up and throw away. If I spill powder, unless it is on the work surface right where I am pouring it and I KNOW the surface was clean I just chuck it, not worth accidentally mixing powders. Primers too, if you find a stray primer chuck it. isn't worth using a magnum primer where it asks for a standard (you actually can use a magnum primer for a load that asks for a standard, but need to do it on purpose and include it in your load development)

and there are some things that you CAN do in front of a TV, although if you're not careful to not make a mess your girlfriend/wife may not be happy about it. for instance I use a LEE handprimer, I primed some brass in front of my TV the other day. You can also chamfer/debur in front of the tv if you're doing that by hand. I only say that because if you are busy you may have to squeeze operations in here and there. I've done multiple steps separate (decap, clean, trim, prime etc) right up to charge (insert powder) and seat bullet. AT THAT POINT I DON'T STOP! Your powder charge in my opinion is your single most critical step in the loading process.

Red
 
I was thinking the same thing about 12 gauge, probably not worth reloading. For me, I don't shoot enough .380 or 38/357 to make it worth getting set up for them either. I don't know how much of what the OP shoots but if it were me I'd start by getting set up for .45 and then expand from there. I don't load for rifles so I can't really comment a whole lot on the .308 but you may want a single stage press for precision loads. A 550 would be great for .45 and would also work for .308 or any other rifle/pistol calibers you decide to do.

A 2'x4' bench is all I use. You'll want a tumbler, sifter, a good scale, etc. Dillonprecision.com for presses (they'll send you a catalog with a pretty woman on the front if you ask). Midwayusa.com for tumblers, components, etc., they have pretty good sales.
 
ask me how I know.... a live primer vacuumed into a shop vac, that has either (1) also picked up some spilled powder or (2) has the correct fuel air mixture for a dust explosion... can blow the top of said shop vac... and scare the crap out of you
 
That's awesome les! I had never thought of that. I usually just sweep my floor and seldom spill more than a few grains of powder but that is a really good thing to keep in mind, I'll make sure not to do it myself.

My big lesson about having a shop with a clear floor was when I shot a retaining clip across the shop and my rifle was out of commission just before a hunt, a clean floor might not have helped find it (even when I moved I never found that little bugger) but I realized it would have been easier had it hit the ground.

I was going to reply to the post about not carrying hand loads for defense, the person that wrote that was CORRECT. The first time I got a carry permit the instructor who'd been secret service and then instructed for the FBI and others, and testified many times as an expert witness, told me that. The reason is that if you look at all those rounds they're usually called "defense" or self-defense etc., they're not called "really good dead makers" or "ultra death". If you carry hand loads and shoot and kill somebody the prosecution will (and apparently has) argue that you purposely loaded ammo to be particularly lethal. Better safe than sorry, with as much good ammo out there as they make no reason to skimp on one box just because you think you can out load hornady (you can't) or one of the other big companies.

Just don't carry zombie max, they specifically note that they are not for living humans and maybe you'd open yourself up to a legal quagmire. :D

Red
 
probably a good idea to carry what the local law enforcement officers carry....naturally you want to make sure they work reliably in your pistol
 
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