Report from United States Knife & Tool Association Briefing at BladeWest

Gollnick

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On Saturday, Sept. 16, 2006, Doug Ritter of Equipped to Survive fame (Critter here on bf.c) held a briefing about his proposed new United States Knife & Tool Association (www.uskta.org) at BladeShow West in Portland. I was pleased to have been invited to attend along with quite a number of cutlery industry luminaries.

Faithful readers will doubtlessly recall that the Wall Street Journal recently published a rather unfavorable article about the knife industry, particularly the so-called tactical knives (refer to THIS, THIS, and THIS thread among others here at bf.c).

Mr. Ritter suspects that the Anti crowd feels that they have stalled in their efforts against guns due to the very active and aggressive pro-gun-rights movement organized by the NRA and other gun-owner organizations. He thinks they've decided to target knives in hopes of creating some momentum for themselves. He believes that they perceive knives and knife-rights as "easy pickings" because we don't have a substantial national organization. So, he is trying to very quickly create such an organization.

You can read his announcement of this in THIS thread.

He reported that he has received some small initial financial support already. He has been reviewing the organization of other, similar owner-advocate organizations including the NRA, the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association AOPA, and the Boat Owners Association of The United States BoatUS, and has learned quite a bit about what it will take to start such an organization and make it successful. He has already started all of the legal paperwork and expects to have it all in place by the end of the year. This will take about $8,000-$10,000 just for legal costs and such. He hopes to have a trust account established (which can be done very quickly and with minimal paperwork) very shortly for those who might like to make initial seed-money contributions to help with these costs. His hope is to raise $25,000-$30,000 with the additional money going to fund an improved website and promotional efforts. Once that is established, he hopes to attract 100,000 members to his new organization within just a few years.

He noted that the NRA has four million members and that just about everyone who owns a gun owns some sort of knife too. If USKTA could attract just a small fraction of those people, it would be dramatic.

The purpose of the organization is to create political muscle. Mr. Ritter said, "The only way to influence some politician who is hell-bent on making headlines by making some knee-jerk reaction to some event that has happened is to flood his office with calls and mail... numbers."

Of course, one question asked was what relationship USKTA would have to the American Knife and Tool Institute AKTI which was founded in 1997 and which has been 100% successful since its institution in fighting governmental challenges to the knife industry. Les de Asis of Benchmade who is President of AKTI, noted, "Everything AKTI has gotten involved with, we've won."

Mr. Ritter explained that Knives are the only major industry facing threat from the Anti movement which does not have two organizations, an industry organization to represent manufacturers and dealers, and a separate organization for owners and users. Guns, for example, have several owner/user organizations lead by the NRA, and several industry organizations lead by The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute SAAMI. Having two organizations that work together can be a big benefit because the two can sort of play "good cop/bad cop" when dealing with legislators: "Mr. Congressman, why not let our industry organization help you craft better legislation so that our X-million-member owners organization doesn't have to conduct a massive campaign against you? And then you can then tell your Anti friends that you arrived at this conclusion after working with our industry association instead of that you caved in under pressure from our massive owners association. It's a win-win solution."

There are times when the prestige, the respectability, and the technical resources of an industry association are the right tools for the job. And then there are times when the shear numbers and grass-roots political pressure that can be generated by a large, organized, and motivated owner organization is the right tool for the job.

There are some politicians who will be motivated by industry statistics about job creation, tax revenue, trade balance, etc., which is best provided by an industry association. And there are those who only care about popular opinion poles.

AKTI has primarily been a manufacturers/industry association. Mr. Ritter sees USKTI as filling the grass-roots owners' association roll in a complimentary way working in partnership with AKTI.

AKTI has tried to attract individual owners as members. Several years ago, they included some one million flyers with knives sold by several major knife manufacturers and got very few responses. The root cause of this problem is possibly that the average American knife owner does not yet feel under threat. He hopes to educate knife owners about the growing threat they face.

The USKTI name is probably only temporary. Look for the name to change to something a bit more "zippy" in the near future.

Right now, USKTI is simply accepting names and addresses of people who would like to be notified of its progress. You can sign up on their website, http://www.uskta.org/.
 
8,000 to 10,000 is a fairly broad range of cost for a small start up a grass roots organization.

Is there any sort of launch timetable or other information that could be used to make an informed choice on whether to join or not?

And thanks for the update Mr. Gollnick.
 
fixer, there is no organization to join just yet. What Mr. Ritter is hoping for in terms of our support right now is to respond to the link Gollnick posted ( You can sign up on their website, http://www.uskta.org/. ) to let him know you might be interested in joining, so he can keep you updated by email.

The rest will follow once his research has led to a better understanding of how to go about organizing this.

$8,000-$10,000, $25,000-$30,000 -- let's say $50,000 to organize the USKTA and sign up 100,000 members. How much is that per member?

Freedom isn't free. :)
 
Thank you for the update!! I sent my email tonight. I'm a NRA life member and I am willing to support this knife advocacy group too.
Bob
 
orthogonal1 said:
Can't believe no one said, "Thanks for the update."

In some ways, I put this thread up as a test of the assertion that knife owners aren't interested in an owner-advocacy organization because they don't feel threatened. And, unfortunately -- and disappointingly -- I think the rather lack-luster response we've seen here tends to prove that the assertion is true.

I'm afraid that USKTA will fail for lack of membership support and that it will take a major legal blow to knife ownership rights -- a blow that will doubtlessly come as a knee-jerk reaction fueled by the Anti crowd to some horrible, but discrete, crime -- to wake the knife community up to the dagger hanging over its head. And, by that time, it will be very late and a lot of work will have to be done just to bandage that one wound much less fight the onslaught of attacks that will follow.
 
fixer27 said:
Is there any sort of launch timetable or other information that could be used to make an informed choice on whether to join or not?

Mr. Ritter plans to get the trust fund situation established within a few weeks. This will enable individuals and corporations who wish to give what might be called, "seed money," to him. This seed money will be given as pure charity because, other than a heart-felt thank-you e-mail and maybe a handsome, laser-printed certificate suitable for framing, there will be no benefit to the donor.

Using that money, he hopes to have a bare-bones organization ready for joining very shortly into the new year.

It's a boot-strap process. A few visionary seed donors will underwrite the start-up for no reason other than they share his vision, think it should be done, and are willing to put their money where there mouth is. That will create a fledgling organization which will hopefully attract early-adopter members who are willing to support the organization for a modest benefit, no glossy color magazine every month, no slick exciting DVD video, no coffee cup or totebag, just a few pages of mimeographed newletter every now and then. The faithful support of those early-adopter members during that first lean year or two will help the organization to get on its feet and start doing good work, hire a few needed staff, retain a good Washington lobbying firm, etc., and also start to focus on organizing and engaging its members which will mean starting to deliver more direct benefits to its members. This will enable the organization to attract more main-stream membership and grow.

To grow into the sort of fraction-of-a-million member organization that it takes to get noticed in DC will probably take five or more years -- if can be done.

The Anti crowd already have their organizations in place.
 
I got my email in to the USKTA, as soon as they are up and running I will be joining. Thanks for the update Gollnick.
 
I signed up the first week as I firmly agree that we need a organized group to represent knife collectors. I support this type of organization. I am also a NRA member and realize that sort of organization is needed to deal with the government.
 
With all due respect, the title of this thread is a real snoozer and to me implies an update on activities of an organization that already exists. I clicked on it by mistake (but I'm glad I did). Something like, "Your support urgently needed for new knife owners advocacy group" or "Help us fight for your rights as knife owners" or some such would go much further to generating more traffic. I say this not because I enjoy being critical but to point out that IMO lesson number one is: how you get your message out is at least as important as the message itself and the success or failure of this organization depends on it.

Now having said that, I am interested in and do support this cause and intend to join when and if the opportunity exists. One question: is there some advantage to it being a separate entity rather than an affiliation of AKTI?
 
Chuck (and everyone else who is reading this thread),

Thanks very much for posting that very thorough report on the meeting at Blade West. Thanks also for doing an excellent job answering the questions raised. I'm still on the road until week's end and sitting in on day long meetings with nightly "homework", so have limited access, but let me comment on a couple things:

1. Those providing seed money do get something in return beyond a warm fuzzy. Eventually, they will be acknowledged as the ones who were willing to step up and make this happen. I suspect that will have some benefit. But most importantly, these individuals realize that if they want to pass their companies and the like on to another generation, it starts here and now. Otherwise, a decade from now the knife industry could be a pale shadow of what it is now.

2. I continue to receive emails and calls from supporters asking why we don’t just start collecting member dues and get on with it. The answer is that we are in this for the long haul and any substantial endeavor requires a sound foundation to give it the best chance for success. The NRA, AOPA, and the like have had decades to grow and develop. We don’t have decades, but we also have to get it right the first time. If we screw up, we all lose. Doing this right isn’t the easy or quickest path, but it’s an investment in our future. Please be patient as we set the stage; we going as fast as resources allow.

I sincerely appreciate everyone's support and I'll be sending out an update shortly. By and large, Chuck has covered all the bases, so those reading this thread are very much up to date as to progress.

Have you signed up? Go to: www.USKTA.org
 
Blue Sky said:
With all due respect, the title of this thread is a real snoozer...


The title was deliberately written that way to guage how much in interest there is without shouting.

An organization like the one proposed here can't shout all the time or it becomes known as Chicken Little.

When there's a major event, Katrina or some such thing, everyone sends money to the Red Cross. But most of those donors are not the core supporters of the Red Cross, the people who keep it going between disasters. An organization such as proposed here needs that core support. That's what I'm worried about. If there is a disaster event, I'm sure that many of the people here will open their wallets and pour money into whatever organization exists. But, without that core support, what organization will that be? It takes that core support, those people who are interested in these issues even when there is no immediate disaster, to build the organization and keep it going between disasters. It takes the people who will click on a thread even though it doesn't have an all-caps shouting title. So, it is that level of interest and support that must be guaged.
 
Blue Sky said:
lesson number one is: how you get your message out is at least as important as the message itself and the success or failure of this organization depends on it.

True.

And I think from his comments that Mr. Ritter is well aware of that. Remember, he has hands-on experience growing a brandname, Equipped to Survive. He's done an admirable job of that and I think a lot of that practical experience will map directly into his new project.

I compared this organization to the Red Cross (any analogy has limitations). One of the missions of the Red Cross is to respond to disasters. One of the missions of this proposed new organization is to respond to disasters... albeit disasters of a different nature. Equipped to Survive is also about responding to disasters. He understands the need to lay in the right supplies and equipment, to know how to use them when necessary, and to keep and maintain them between events. I think those skills and experiences will also serve his -- and us -- well in this new endeavor. He's a good writer. He's a good speaker and a good spokesman. We'll do something about the hair. He certainly is enthusiastic about this.

The biggest challenge I see is overcoming profound apathy among knife owners.

The recent Supreme Court decision regarding eminent domain has energized supporters of property rights. But they are late to the fight. Now they face a state-by-state struggle, trench warfare.


(Just kidding about the hair, Doug.)
 
Gollnick said:
The title was deliberately written that way to guage how much in interest there is without shouting.
My point was that the title you chose does little to intrigue anyone who may or may not ultimately be interested in supporting your cause into finding out what the thread was about.
Gollnick said:
It takes the people who will click on a thread even though it doesn't have an all-caps shouting title.
It takes something to get people to click on it period. Once you get their attention, your message should be enough to separate the wheat from the chaff. No one is suggesting it takes a title that "shouts".

I have no desire to try and tell you what to do, I've only offered my opinion. If you disagree, I'm fine with that, I'll still support the cause when the time comes.:)
 
Kudos too all involved.

I hate to naysay and I hope I'm wrong but I foresee this as the same problem with the gun owners.

The multi-thousand dollar custom crowd are not affected (yet) because the anti's are going after the auto and semi autos (incrementally just like with firearms).
The Mammoth Bark and MOP scale crowd is not concerned about the recent attempt to ban "tactical knives with tritium inserts and blood grooves" because it does not affect thier part of the hobby/lifestyle/whatever (yet)
The crowd into classic Slippie's is not too concerned about the pending legislation banning "machete type" knives or any knife over 8 inches long , since it does not affect them either (yet).

Like I said I hope this is not the case but.....
 
Blue Sky said:
With all due respect, the title of this thread is a real snoozer and to me implies an update on activities of an organization that already exists. I clicked on it by mistake (but I'm glad I did). Something like, "Your support urgently needed for new knife owners advocacy group" or "Help us fight for your rights as knife owners" or some such would go much further to generating more traffic. I say this not because I enjoy being critical but to point out that IMO lesson number one is: how you get your message out is at least as important as the message itself and the success or failure of this organization depends on it.

Now having said that, I am interested in and do support this cause and intend to join when and if the opportunity exists. One question: is there some advantage to it being a separate entity rather than an affiliation of AKTI?


+1 I thought this was going to be an update on a knife show. This needs to be retitled.

Gollnick said:
The title was deliberately written that way to guage how much in interest there is without shouting.

An organization like the one proposed here can't shout all the time or it becomes known as Chicken Little.

How many people know what the USKTA is or what they intend to stand for? I certainly didnt before I clicked by accident. At the very least this should have something about rights in the title so people dont think this is a trade organization.
 
I thought this was going to be something completely different also, and just clicked on it to see what happened at the Blade West show. This should be retitled.

That being said, I'm in. I signed up just now and will be awaiting further updates.
 
I signed up. If half of everyone on this forum would donate 10$ that would be 340770$ from this forum alone hopefuly this wont fall through.
 
I have also signed up.
I am saddened that it has come to this, but glad we are organizing.

I have to say that I hope one of the first things we can do is start pressuring companies and makers that advertise in sensationalist ways to really think about how they are marketing cutlery, and that they may be shooting us in the foot.
It is my opinion that many of the kinds of marketing verbage that I see from various companies really don't help us at all. I don't think there are a great number of companies out there that do it, but there are a few, and I think we all can name at least two.

Thanks Doug, and Chuck,

Brome
 
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