Report from United States Knife & Tool Association Briefing at BladeWest

im signed up.

i hope alot more younger people can come aboard too.
the end of knives will happen in the lifetime of the "Why? generation" if nothing is done.

if it keeps goin at this rate, I may never get to buy my future son or daughter their first knife.
 
Thanks for the update, Chuck. This is the kind of thing that needs our support, I'm in as a plankholder, and would like to thank Doug for the time and effort.
 
I signed up shortly after the WSJ thing hit. I don't have a lot of extra cash right now, but plan on contributing $20-30 to help out once the fund is in place.

:thumbup: to Mr. Ritter and everyone else involved in this.
 
I'd join, but I might not be able to afford it. How much will membership cost?
We have not yet finalized the cost of individual voting membership and there will likely be different levels with possibly a reduced cost for a youth membership.

I suppose the real question is, what is your freedom worth to you? There is no question that there is a point at which the cost impacts the number of people who sign up and since the goal is to get lots of members, too high a price of membership would be counterproductive. By the same token, it takes money to develop and run an organization and even more money to be an effective advocate and if we charge too little we could be handicapping ourselves from the get go. We also know from the experience of other advocacy organizations that it is very, very difficult to raise the cost of an annual membership, so whatever we start at is going to have to see us through quite some time.

I hesitate to name a number, lest it be taken as writ in stone, but by way of discussion and comparison it is $35 for a basic full membership to the NRA and $3.75 of the membership dues are designated for the magazine subscription, which we will not offer. AOPA is higher at $39, BoatUS is quite a bit lower at $25 and I don't imagine it can be any less that that and still be viable.

So, since we all know that "freedom isn't free," again the question is, what is your freedom worth?

Have you signed up? Go to: www.USKTA.org
 
I'd like to help promote knife owner's rights. If you'll add some provinces to the list, I'd put my name up.

Any chance of making this the North American Knife and Tool Association? :)

(Might get confused with NAFTA, though. :mad: )

Edited to add: Just a little request... when I was an NRA member, it always bugged me that after I had ponied up my yearly membership fee, I got letters seemingly every other week begging for more money. It bugged me for two reasons A) I had already paid what I wanted to to join and B) I wondered how much of my membership fee was wasted in printing and mailing out these solicitations every other week. Please don't do this with the USKTA.
 
Also by way of discussion and comparison, $52 a year is a buck a week. How much did you pay for the last knife you bought?
 
I joined the mailing list, I'd like to know a little more about the group before I join, but from what I've read, I'm in so far.
 
Also by way of discussion and comparison, $52 a year is a buck a week. How much did you pay for the last knife you bought?

This should probably be tiered. Basic members get access and representation, tier 2 members get some sort of value added feature like raffles or access to some sort of manufacuter/retailer discounts etc. It really doesnt have to be much to justify the second tier. If the net worth of the feature matches or exceeds the differential cost increase it would be feasible to expect a smaller niche subscriber base willing to contribute the higher fees. Ultimately you could more efficiently fund your organization by allowing access to the large majority who are casual knife buyers, who would be dissuaded by high fees yet still target the small kk demo within the price they're willing to pay.

It would probably not be hard to talk the manufacturers into a discount program considering how most of thier dealer invoicing works. This would only be available to a small pool of individuals who are contributing both by purchasing knives and by representing the industry as a concerned and focused group. Its win-win.
 
While the most "dangerous" knife I carry is probably my Kershaw Leek I believe that I will sign up anyway. My reasoning is that if they eventually get your knife they most assuredly will come for mine and we can't have that!

Let's lend our support to this venture!

John
 
I hope you will take this in the spirit it is written.

If you accept the language of the enemy then you have already lost the war. The things you need to learn from history is that the winners write history. When I read some of these posts about how makers market their knives and how we need to be more PC, I sense the hesitation to go all out.

Don't look to the NRA for leadership in how to run a rights organization. They have brought a lot of things to light, but by their actions they have shown that they have no stomach for the fight.

To make a simple comparison, if you follow the NRA's example you will be able to buy any knife that you can use for hunting or recreational use, but you won't be able to sharpen it until it's needed, and after you're done you'll have to dull it again and put it in a safe place, like a locked box under your sink.

I know that it is simple enough to get hurt with anything that you misuse or that anything can be used for good or bad purposes, and that is the only basis I will accept for a "rights" association. If you want to keep the devil from your door afford him NO comforts. We are all in the current predicament we're in by just giving a little on the idea that an object should have some restrictions added to it for "that" reason. You know, that the object is inherently bad.

God did not give us claws, great strength, or sharp teeth. He gave us instead a greater intelligence to make tools with which we can improve our lives. He instilled within all of us a sense of responsibility to do the right thing instead of acting like common beasts and destroying all that he gave us. The founders of the United States recognized this when they wrote our most important documents which is why they only gave the federal government specific powers and left the rest to the States or to the people.

You may be thinking, well, that's not the way it works, and you are right. As with those you call ANTIs the problems in our government started with those who just wanted to do good. As you know we are the benefactors of those who knew better how to apply the freedoms of the people. So I say to you all, unless you are willing to reassert your power and demand your full rights you might as well settle for what we can get.

If you feel as though I'm being harsh, think about the fact that the 2nd Article of the Bill of Rights (Also known as the second amendment to the Constitution) spells out that, "The right of the people... to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." (Emphasis added) Now, ask yourself where it mentions knives.

Many of you will be thinking, well, I'm a collector, my knives will not be a danger to anyone, and someone else will be thinking I just have pocket knives for daily use and the hunting knife for the fall season, while a third group thinks about their swords and "combat" knives and keeps saying to themselves, they'll never get my knives. This is the formula that NRA has never fully dealt with.

You all have to support the others, and when someone talks about their switch blades, or their Krukris, or their authentic Hitler Youth dagger you must stand up together and say NO KNIFE will taken from the hands of any person who wants to possess any knife for their own amusement or use. Never let yourself be tricked into thinking that knives can't or wont be used to kill another human being whether in commission of a crime or for self defense. Defend those who use a knife to spare life and fully condemn those who would use a knife to kill for pleasure or personal gain. A knife used to kill in self defense is only the tool of opportunity. Above all, no matter what tool you're talking about the blame is with the human being not the object that is used.

I warn anyone who believes that the threat to all people, even those who own and use sharp kitchen knives, isn't real, they should think again. Now, are you ready to reach them? How will you reach them? What if they don't believe you, what will you do then?

I think you have a good idea, but you have a lot of work to do to determine your strategy and what kind of organization you really want to have. Don't forget that the NRA has a legislative arm called the ILA which has special tax status to be able to lobby Congress. There are also local NRA clubs that do the leg work in each State to get the word out and do the "good works" of the organization, and yes there is a lot of money involved in all the things that the NRA does.

You have my support, but does that count?
 
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