Request for DE OPPRESSO LIBER's For Sale Thread to be re-opened...

[Jaxx]

Hello Spark,

I didn't know where else to submit this argument for the re-opening of a For Sale thread, and hope that this is the right forum...

I'm requesting that DE OPPRESSO LIBER's "Family Tragedy" For Sale thread be reopened. I understand that it has been locked for your further review, and under the reasons for "solicitation", which is a valid reason for a Moderator to do so while awaiting a ruling from the Head Pirate.

I submit that I do not find this to be any more of a "solicitation" than anyone else who opens a For Sale thread with claims to be selling knives for, "tax reasons", "needs to raise cash for bills", "family emergency", "vehicle repair", or any other of the numerous 'hard luck' reasons seen stated on any particular For Sale thread on any given day. The only difference between these other threads & DE OPPRESSO LIBER's that I see is how others here in the interests of helping a fellow Forumite through a terrible situation, have decided to list a knife of their own as if it were DE OPPRESSO LIBER's, with the proceeds going to help his 4 year old cousin, Rachael, who has lost her mother and sister in a horrible vehicle accident. We were not solicited to do so, but have chosen of our own free will, to step up and help him any way we can through a very tough situation by donating a knife to the cause. It would be the same as if we sent him the knife, and he listed it for sale here.

I humbly ask you to please allow this sale to continue, or at least allow DE OPPRESSO LIBER to re-open his thread without the words "Family Tragedy" in the title heading, if this is where the "solicitation issue lies.

I thank you in advance for your consideration over this matter. :thumbup:

Jaxx

 

[OldPhysics]

Posted in support, although I have nothing more to add to Jaxx's argument.

We will, of course, abide by Spark's ruling.

 

[Ken C.]

The thread will remain locked until such time as Spark Ok's it. If we let this thread continue without the acknowledgement of the HPIC then everyone under the sun will think it's OK to start one as well. DOL should have requsted permission to start the thread prior. Now that it's started everyone is asking it to be reopened without knowing the rules regarding such threads. We are fully aware of the circumstances in the starting of the thread and although it is a tragedy we cannot give the impression that solicitation of the membership is acceptable. We have allowed such threads in the past and they were for the benefit of the member themselves and they had prior consent. That is the key word here...consent. DOL does not have it as of yet.

 

[Cougar Allen]

The thread being discussed is Family Tragedy Forsale Thread

I submit that I do not find this to be any more of a "solicitation"... We were not solicited

Not accurate. He asked for both knife and cash donations.

HELLO EVERYONE THIS IS A OPEN THREAD AND ANYONE MAY POST THERE KNIFE OR KNIVES FORSALE TO BENEFIT MY 4 YR OLD COUSIN RACHAEL WHO SURVIVED A CAR ACCIDENT LAST WEEK THAT TOOK HER MOTHER & 2 SISTERS Rachael is paralized from the waist down and at Johns Hopkins Hospital we are hoping she will be able to walk again someday. please post your knife here with a pics and price. also some have expressed the desire to make cash donations and they will be accepted. MODS please let me know if all brands of knives will be aloud here in this thread. thankyou for your support,Paul AKA PORKOPPRESSOR please if you have made a cash Donation take credit for it here no matter how big or small I will be posting a Running total of all funds recieved and try to keep it updated daily

After soliciting donations DE OPPRESSO LIBER seems to have bought one of the donated knives himself. See Post 22 I don't know what to make of that. Maybe I misunderstood that post; I don't know.

I think we should allow this one. We know DE OPPRESSO LIBER; he's not some spammer we never heard of. We do have to keep (constantly) affirming the principle that people can't go posting appeals for donations without the permission of the moderators or we'd get buried in charitable spam, but we can give permission for this one.

 

[Jaxx]

Sorry, Cougar... I stand corrected in light of your post. My apologies. Personally, I wrote this and also listed my knife without fully reading that first post on the FS thread. I made my decision to help based on information as seen in the Busse forum, so I guess I should say that I did not feel solicited. Yes, I reckon some wording needs changing, now having read that.

I'm also not sure about post #22...

I still hope that you all will allow him to continue under whatever guidelines are set by y'all & Spark.

Thank you, and you too, Ken C. for your responses.

 

[Ken C.]

I have no problem with him asking for assistance for his cousin and I'm sure that this thread will be allowed. Our issue is with the fact that he did not get consent prior from Spark.

 

[Jaxx]

I have no problem with him asking for assistance for his cousin and I'm sure that this thread will be allowed. Our issue is with the fact that he did not get consent prior from Spark.

I savvy. :thumbup: Thanks, and I certainly do not mean to start a 'thing' here... I just felt that an 'argument' for Paul's cause would be better received before Spark came to a decision on the matter rather than after. I definitely do see yours & Spark's issue with him not seeking permission first. Hopefully this can still be worked out to a solution agreeable to everyone involved under Spark's roof.

Thanks again for your responses, Ken C. :thumbup:

 

[DE OPPRESSO LIBER]

I did contact MIKE G pryor to opening this thread and did nor hear back from him until tonite. Also some members where going to open one there selves if i didnt open one soon.

The thread will remain locked until such time as Spark Ok's it. If we let this thread continue without the acknowledgement of the HPIC then everyone under the sun will think it's OK to start one as well. DOL should have requsted permission to start the thread prior. Now that it's started everyone is asking it to be reopened without knowing the rules regarding such threads. We are fully aware of the circumstances in the starting of the thread and although it is a tragedy we cannot give the impression that solicitation of the membership is acceptable. We have allowed such threads in the past and they were for the benefit of the member themselves and they had prior consent. That is the key word here...consent. DOL does not have it as of yet.

 

[DE OPPRESSO LIBER]

No that is Incorrect I did not ask for donations, members contacted me about donating and i accepted if you read my post its very clear. And about the Apprentice Knife what wrong with me donating more money WHO HAS A PROBLEM with that I thought it would be a nice little knife for Rachael someday.

The thread being discussed is Family Tragedy Forsale Thread



Not accurate. He asked for both knife and cash donations.



After soliciting donations DE OPPRESSO LIBER seems to have bought one of the donated knives himself. See Post 22 I don't know what to make of that. Maybe I misunderstood that post; I don't know.

I think we should allow this one. We know DE OPPRESSO LIBER; he's not some spammer we never heard of. We do have to keep (constantly) affirming the principle that people can't go posting appeals for donations without the permission of the moderators or we'd get buried in charitable spam, but we can give permission for this one.

 

[myright]

I hope all the best for you and your family Opresso.

edited at the request of Opresso.

 

[Eric Isaacson]

I'd also like to show my support for Paul (De OPPRESSO LIBER) on this, as was said I don't think any of us think he is trying to scam anyone, however, approval is needed before he can proceed.

Hopefully Kevin will be along soon to okay this.

Eric

 

[Cougar Allen]

No that is Incorrect I did not ask for donations ...

I'm getting more confused all the time. Are you saying you don't need any donations? Your family is not in a financial crisis?

 

[Spark]

I have to admit, I'm pretty confused as to what's going on here myself.

I don't have a problem with someone selling off their items and donating it to a good cause - what you do with the money you bring in from selling something is your business. What I don't understand is... seeing you buy one of the knives for sale, effectively getting a free knife from someone, with your family getting the money? Are you actually selling anything yourself for them?

Please straighten me out here, because I don't fully grasp what's up.

 

[DE OPPRESSO LIBER]

what i am stating is that i did not ask anyone to donate money. they contacted me and offered up donations. I accepted. I posted that in my first post in that thread. Rachael is the one who is in need here her estimated medical costs are $100,000- $200,000. There is a account setup for Rachael allready i was going to make a lump sum donation to that account in behalf of the Blade Forums Membership. There is nothing confusing here at all maybee if it was your Family you would understand.

I'm getting more confused all the time. Are you saying you don't need any donations? Your family is not in a financial crisis?

 

[Spark]

I understand wanting to help your family. I just don't understand you buying a knife someone else is donating. Please help me understand this.

 

[DE OPPRESSO LIBER]

kevin, i sold the first knife for $225.00 plus $238.00 total contribuiton so far. thanks Jaxx &Eric for your support. my family will not be recieveing money it will be going to Doctors,Nurses,Hospital, Rehab. I think you some of you have chosen a unwise time to Judge my Character which allready speaks loudly here om BF. Only a fool would steal from those who come to you with open arm and hearts. please open the Forsale thread again respectfully, Paul

 

[Spark]

I haven't made any judgments. I'm not understanding why some of the things were done the way they were, and I'm asking for your help so I can fully grasp what's going on here.

 

[DE OPPRESSO LIBER]

Kevin, what is going on is that i am trying to help someone who can not help herself, her Mother is Deceased and so are two of her sisters they were involved in a horrible accident last week. I said i would take the apprentice to further contribute & I sold the first knife in the Sale. Rachael needs help. I will email you again with my phone# please call me, Paul

 

[DE OPPRESSO LIBER]

Kevin to me and the seller of the apprentice we see no wrong here at all. to the both of us its just me donating 238.00 to my cousin Rachael he just pmed me and said he sees no wrong I hope he will respond here. when will you open the For Sale Thread again.

 

[Jaxx]

Kevin,

If I may say a few words...

We on the Busse forum were shocked to hear about Paul's family last week. Needless to say, we wanted to stand up and offer support any way we could. Another member spoke about wanting to sell a few knives for the cause, and many of us agreed to do the same while others wanted to donate money. He didn't ask for any support when he told us about what happened, we just jumped up and began to do what we could for his cousin. I hear that she's pretty badly injured and will need fairly extensive rehabilitation. Even the best medical insurance won't cover everything. Perhaps we jumped the gun, so to speak, and I believe that he felt that he should open one thread for all of us to list what we wanted to donate before we all opened our own threads for the same purpose. I don't know Paul very well, but his reputation is one belonging to a stand-up goodguy as far as I've seen & heard from others known to me.

As for the knife he wanted to pay for... I don't think that he saw this as an opportunity to further his knife collection, but something to give to Rachael once she was old enough to be a responsible knife owner... Maybe as a memento of the love & support so many here showed to him for his cousin. I will admit that it does look bad ethically, and that I also told him via PM just a little while ago, but I do honestly believe from his reply to that PM that this was something that he did with emotion and feelings for his little cousin, and not for any bad intention or personal gain.
I should state that regardless of your decision, we will continue to stand behind Paul, and continue to raise funds any way we can. Personally, I hate eBay, and I hope that you will allow us to help Paul help his cousin here, where I believe we all would rather list our knives. Please allow us to help him here. :thumbup:

Thank you for your time & consideration in this matter,
Alex