Resignation as Moderator

Again, you have both our assurances that the Custom Forum is not going anywhere.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com

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His expertiese would be appreciated right here. I am not going to beg him to stay but your implication is that we do not appreciate him and that is not so.

Les,

You can stay on as moderator if you like. If you have a problem with sharing the responibility of moderating then that is your problem. I must move on with the forum and make this work for the members. You have yet to tell me the real problem with this whole situation. You think it is some sort of plot to get rid of you and that is just not the case.



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Mike Turber
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I just have to wonder if this is a result of the Emerson thing that happened last spring, when this forum lost Les the first time.
 
Not from our side. Old news and way behind us. Les chose to leave on his own accord.

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Mike Turber
BladeForums Site Owner and Administrator
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I am usually not the one taking this position, but....

I think everyone should consider the effect of their words and decide if posting is apropriate...

I do not believe this is the place for wild a$$ speculation.

Kevin Schlossberg, I think you owe Les Robertson an apology for your comment
If you look at the time that the emails were sent, compared to when the posts were made, you'll see that any hidden agenda is not on my end.

and

In fact, I strongly suspect that the only reason he did so was to try to start just this sort of controversy

But what do I know?

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Marion David Poff aka Eye, one can msg me at mdpoff@hotmail.com If I fail to check back with this thread and you want some info, email me.

My site is at: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Meadows/1770 Including my review of the Kasper AFCK, thougths on the AFCK and interview of Bob Kasper.

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db, nothing could be further from the truth. We went out of our way to make sure that Les knew that we'd be making changes to the forum, adding moderators, and in moving the entire site along, and he chose to resign. That's his choice, and we respect it, but he did it for his own reasons, we didn't have any part of it. His resignation was a complete suprise.

No matter what, we wish him the best of luck with whatever he does and hope he'll remain a part of the forums as we move forward.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com

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Marion, the only apologies owed, quite frankly, are to us, and the members of the forums.

Instead of working with us to help improve the Custom Knife Forum, and BladeForums.com as a whole, Les decided to pull up his stakes and quit. That's his perogative and right.

But don't try to lay the blame for this on our shoulders. We asked him for his opinions, asked for feedback on who would be good additions to the Custom Knife moderating team, and instead of discussion or even a decent reply, we were accused of being out to get him and he decided to leave. Pure and simple.

Our goal is to make BladeForums.com as a whole a useful resource to every facet of the knife world. By leaving instead of trying to work with us, Les clearly showed that his interests did not lie here with the forums, and helping the membership learn more about the Custom Knife field, but for his own gain instead. That's fine, and I respect that, but again, he made his own decision to leave and quit as a moderator, while we were looking for his help to make it grow even further.

I personally find this episode to be extremely distasteful and childish, and I'm going to try to put an end to all this second guessing and conjecture right now.

Here are the facts. Below is the email that I sent Les:
Les,

As previously mentioned, we are going forward with the combining of the Custom and Collectors forums. Since you didn't have a problem with this earlier, I'm hoping that this is still the case. Anyhow, consider this a heads up.

Also, with the upgrade of the forum software, we now have the ability for multiple moderators in each forum. So, we will probably be adding 1-3 moderators to the Custom/Collectors forum in the near future. Notice, I said *add*, you are *not* being removed, demoted, or pushed aside, we just feel that it would be a great advantage to have more depth of coverage and a wider base of experience for the forum members to draw upon. Plus, this should give you some more time to write that magazine column you were talking about, right?

This is going to be an across the board change and we'll be adding moderators to most of the forums including the Blade Discussion Forum, Community Center, Tactical, etc. Some forums will get more, some less, but this will give us some redundancy if discussions get heated or if someone goes on vacation or to a show, or gets sick, etc.

Anyhow, I'd like your feedback on who else you think would be a good addition to the moderator team for the Custom/Collector forum. I'm thinking about asking Gus K. and maybe Larry Connolly (not sure on him), however, if you know of someone else who is suitable, please let me know.

Also, if you have any ideas on a change of direction/mission for the Custom/Collector forum, please give my your opinion as well.

Here was his response:
Spark,

Please re read my email. Yes, I do have a problem with it. The custom
room needs to stand alone. By allowing anything to be talked about in this
room, you degrade the whole room.

I know you don't have any interest in custom knives and view all knives as
being able to be "lumped" into one forum. This is not the case.

Kevin, the fact that you made the comment about me having more time to
write that magazine article you were talking about, right. This tips your
hand and reveals your hidden agenda.

For whatever reason it still irks you that I am the moderator. Ill call
Mike today and talk with him.

Just to give you a heads up, if this combo room happens, I will resign as
moderator.

Les

He sent this email at 8:00 AM on Friday, and then posted his resignation before I could respond (or was even awake for that matter). Imagine my suprise when I found this email, and then his resignation, even though we *had not* combined the forums or even made a final decision. The entire exchange went downhill after that, and quite frankly, I'm getting sick of this situation.

Please tell me if you can see anywhere in there that we expected Les to leave the forums, or even wanted that? I made it a special point to make sure that Les knew we didn't want him gone, and that he was very important to the custom forum, to the extent of devoting a seperate paragraph to it. Then, just to be careful, I sent the email to Mike to make sure I wasn't saying anything that could be misconstrued. So, after all this, you can imagine my shock.

You can't please everyone all of the time, it's a simple fact. We can't even get the entire forums to agree on something as simple as whether to have the Icons turned on or off. But, Mike and I have to make decisions in order to for the forums as a whole to continue to grow. We went out of our way to ask Les for his input, suggestions, and help, but instead of working with us, he chose to leave instead.

Make your own decisions, but the blame here lies on someone elses shoulders, not ours.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com

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I personally I am of the belief that Spark and Mike did not have any sort of hidden agenda here. I also welcome the changes being made to the forums and think they will have a positive impact.

Regards,

Tom Carey
 
1) Kevin, It seems as if you had justification for what you said, but it certainly did not make you look like one of the good guys, but maybe that risk was necessary to clear your name of some of the speculation. Is it possible to change your profile from Spark to your real name???

2) The BladeForums membership will never know the whole story, but through events which we had no control over, a very high quality moderator is gone. We will never know the whole story simply because we were not there for all of it. Assessing blame, fault and whatnot is a waste of our time, he is gone. But on to the future. "The moderator is gone, long live the moderator..."

3) Kevin, I know this may not be the most pleasant time to say this, and I am sure many people will tell you different, but...

You come off as very abrasive, almost rude. I don't know if it is an issue of a straghtforward style, or a busy schedule, or who knows what. I thought this was just my perception, but after seeing the tide of words between you and Les, I think that may have been part of the problem. Obviously this is just my opinion.

Please do not misunderstand me. I know that you do a phenomonal job of managing this unruly collection of software parameters and people and everything else. And I am very thankful for the time you have devoted to some of my small problems.

I am confident that under the sure hand of Kevin and Mike, this ship known as BladeForums will sail on, stronger than before.

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Marion David Poff aka Eye, one can msg me at mdpoff@hotmail.com If I fail to check back with this thread and you want some info, email me.

My site is at: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Meadows/1770 Including my review of the Kasper AFCK, thougths on the AFCK and interview of Bob Kasper.

 
When these public airing threads every once in a while appear they remind me of a Soap Opera. All that has been said here would have been better said with E-mail. Once the posting starts it degenerates into half the people on one side and the other half on the other side. Who cares? Get a new moderator and get on with the forums and if you guys want continue your little arguments off line where they belong.
Bob
 
Thank you Strider, you are exactly right.

Every time an administrative decision is made, people will question it. It's a part of life, and is natural. If everyone would keep in mind that we are trying to make sure that everyone is best served, no matter what we do, that would eliminate a lot of problems.

As for my writing style, mea culpa, I guess I failed Diplomacy 101. Text doesn't convey the writers attitude very well, and people can easily misinterpret facetiousness and / or sarcasm for attacks on them. After all, you can't really see facial expressions and tone of voice in a text message.

Unfortunately, since I am very straight forward and don't hide what I'm trying to say, people can read too much into it as well. The only thing I can say is that if you don't understand my viewpoint or the context in which I say something, ask for further clarification. Don't assume that I am attacking you personally if I don't agree with what you are saying, because I'm not. I'm in disagreement with what you typed, and as such, I'm trying to show you why.

Anyhow, this matter has been turned around and around again, and other than airing some speculation and dirty laundry, nothing's really changed and hopefully you guys have a better understanding of what happened here. If you have further comments, pleae feel free to email them to us and I'll be happy to discuss them with you

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com

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I am also very sad to see Les go - I have learned a lot from him, and always found him available to help with answers. And I appreciate his passion for custom knives. As to the rest, I have two comments - first I think this illustrates why participatory democracy is so difficult - there is often no black/white clear agreement on things you would think should be clear. Just ask any LEO/criminal lawyer about conflicting eye witness testimony! Second - I know someone who is very famous (in certain circles) and gets lots of e-mail - first he tried to be very careful about crafting his answers. Then he realized that it was consuming all his time - now his answers are as terse as possible, and he can get his work done. I imagine Spark is in the same situation - lets all stop reading nuances into these postings that were never intended and get slightly thicker skins - otherwise we'll end up where the PC people are!
 
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