Restating the obvious...

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Re-profiling without diamond hones sucks:mad:

Yesterday I decided to re-profile my Spyderco Endura Wave. I've been at it for what seems to be about five hours total so far (I've had four sessions at over an hour each).

I've been using Lansky's 5 stone deluxe system at the 17 degree angle setting, and the coarse hone. I used a square to make sure the angle guides are both even, and I regularly check the guide rod to make sure they are staying true.

One aspect I believe is contributing to the long time it is taking is that the primary grind on my Endura is not quite centered (which I consider perfectly acceptable in a production knife). As a result, when I finally finish, the back bevel on the back of the knife will be thicker than the front... but not by a huge amount.

I'm almost finished with the re-profiling, but as any of you who have done any major re-profiling will know; the closer you get to the edge, the longer it takes:(.

I've been using the permanent marker method to keep track of my progress. Once I get to the point that there is no marker left showing, I will work my way through the rest of the hones until I have a polished edge. Then I will use the 30 degree angle setting on my Sharpmaker to put on the micro-bevel.

I've done many re-profiling jobs with my Lansky. Some of them have been on knives even longer than the Endura, but this is my first time re-profiling a knife with a steel as hard as VG-10. If I had known from the start that this would end up being a 6 hour haul, I probably would have waited until I bought a diamond hone for my Lansky.

Anyway, I thought I would share my story/frustrations with you all, since I have no one outside of the forum who would understand, let alone be able to relate to what a task re-profiling can be without the best tools.

One thing's for sure; I'm beginning to appreciate full flat grinds more and more:D

Edited to add: Any comments, observations, questions, or stories of your own would be much enjoyed...
 
You're going to get this a lot; but you need to look into learning to freehand sharpen.

Compared to a good 8" coarse stone the Lansky set-up is a total time waster.

That said, I used a regular Lansky for two years and a diamond Lansky for almost a year before buying a Norton tri-stone and freehanding it. I too know the Lanksy re-bevel routine, I would usually spend an entire Monday Night Football game setting the bevels on one knife. All the time devoted to grinding away metal with those little hones and I could be Murray Carter right now!

Good luck and make sure you don't get a cramp. :D
 
I use an Edge Pro Apex for resetting the relief bevels on my knives when it's necessary. It's never taken more than an hour per knife (ZDP189 D4s) and usually takes a good bit less time.

I've rebeveled two ZDP189 D4s and a VG10 D4, along with some other brands. The VG10 D4 has a relief bevel of about 10-12 dps and a final bevel of 15 dps. I did the final bevel on a Sharpmaker. It slices nearly as well as my Caly Jr or Caly 3 now. The ZDP jobs did try my patience a bit. I really don't like working with that steel. But the Edge Pro did a nice job on all of them
 
The advantage to the Lansky is precision. I have the same 5 stone set up and went and bought the single coarse diamond stone and now it is perfect. I even use it on my knife making to get perfect edges every time and check my angles. It is definitly worth getting the diamond stone.
 
The Extra Coarse diamond stone is worth the price and shipping. If you have the money, and a bunch of knives that need it, buy two or three to save on shipping.

I use the Extra Coarse diamond and the standard 5 stone set and the first grind with the extra coarse is always the most boring. The others go much faster.

BTW, I have been where you are, not with VG10, but on larger blades that leave so much to be desired and regrinding is a MUST. Sure my Coarse 8" diamond stone can do it, but it isnt as pretty or as percise as my Lanksy.

Speaking of sharpening I have 5 blades I made that I need to get at.
 
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