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MercyfulfateXX

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Good day Everyone,
I was told I could start this thread here so here goes in brief.

Member JPBigs left me Retliatory feedback because he didn't read my terms and never responded via email or private message until after the fact. The Knife was then sold to Half/Stop.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/itrader_detail.php?ir=157739&u=374837

Regardless, there was never a Transaction between me or JPBigs. no money was exchanged and no transaction took place.

RevDevil and Knarfeng have both tried to make this clear and written multiple times about this until they are blue in the face.

So, If there is no transaction,you can not leave any type of feedback be it negative or positive.

Spark, if you get wind of this please fix this in my feedback profile Sir. I take pride in my positive feedback as well as my 100% feedback on a certain Guitar Forum, Harley Davidson Forum and 1300+ on The Bay. (When you get the time of course)

JPBigs, if you are reading this,im sorry things didn't go your way but since there was never a transaction and if you read the rules of this website you would have known that leaving a negative for something that didn't go your way was wrong.

Thanks everyone.
Tom
 
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I have purchased several knives from the OP. He is a five star seller and outstanding member of BF. The feedback system needs to be changed or eliminated if feedback can be posted without a transaction. This can spiral out of control and make feedback a meaningless indicator.
 
Captvideo said:
I have purchased several knives from the OP. He is a five star seller and outstanding member of BF. The feedback system needs to be changed or eliminated if feedback can be posted without a transaction. This can spiral out of control and make feedback a meaningless indicator.
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Thanks Jerry, I think the feedback deal is allrite its just that some people cant read the rules or just don't care, its pretty simple, if there is no transaction there is no just cause to leave feedback. Especially if your just upset because you didn't get what you wanted. The Moderators have tried to make this Crystal clear but some people just don't get it.

No Transaction, No feedback can be left. If one is pissed about whatever,take it to a PM.

Thanks again Jerry for the kind words.
 
In this case, the OP may have been a little premature, in that he jumped to the second party within 20 minutes at a time when he knew the messaging systems were iffy...but the law of the land would seem to indicate that where was no transaction since the person never paid.
Obviously, as a registered member, he could not have PMd...but he could have been trying to send a visitor message (some newer members seem to think that's the same). I don't blame the other party for being annoyed...but, at the same time, a seller can sell to whomever he/she wants.
 
hhmoore said:
In this case, the OP may have been a little premature, in that he jumped to the second party within 20 minutes at a time when he knew the messaging systems were iffy...but the law of the land would seem to indicate that where was no transaction since the person never paid.
Obviously, as a registered member, he could not have PMd...but he could have been trying to send a visitor message (some newer members seem to think that's the same). I don't blame the other party for being annoyed...but, at the same time, a seller can sell to whomever he/she wants.
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I appreciate that and that's why in my terms I put in the term Prompt Payment. I also put in my terms less than 5 positives here on BF please Email/message me. I received his email the day after and Yes, that could have been because of the site acting funny. Regardless:: If there is no transaction there cant be any type of feedback left for any reason.

Also, when I moved on to member Half/Stop I received his messages and emails promptly. And JPBigs was premature on the leaving negative feedback. (which is against terms/rules) If this is truly a case of miscommunication I apologize on my behalf. He could have pmd me and we could have worked on this like Adults,but that didn't happen.
 
Have you reported the actual feedback itself?

Also in the future you might want to give people a little more time to reply. Not everyone is online constantly or has a smart phone to continually check things.
 
rycen said:
Have you reported the actual feedback itself?

Also in the future you might want to give people a little more time to reply. Not everyone is online constantly or has a smart phone to continually check things.
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Yes Sir, I have reported it and have been answered by two Moderators which led me here. Also respectfully speaking if you have time to say ill take it in a sales thread you should have time to reply via the terms and of course pay promptly.
 
If you reported the actual feedback none of the moderators could see that. If you look at your feedback page you will a symbol that looks like an exclamation point inside a triangle. Click that and it will send the report to Spark.

I agree that if you post an I'll take it some sort of communication should follow, without knowing the details of your thread that's all I can say.
 
rycen said:
If you reported the actual feedback none of the moderators could see that. If you look at your feedback page you will a symbol that looks like an exclamation point inside a triangle. Click that and it will send the report to Spark.

I agree that if you post an I'll take it some sort of communication should follow, without knowing the details of your thread that's all I can say.
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I reported it using the red exclamation deal several times and also pmd Spark. Then I pmd a couple of Moderators as well. As far as the unwarranted negative feedback there was never a transaction of any kind.
 
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rycen said:
If you reported the actual feedback none of the moderators could see that. If you look at your feedback page you will a symbol that looks like an exclamation point inside a triangle. Click that and it will send the report to Spark.

I agree that if you post an I'll take it some sort of communication should follow, without knowing the details of your thread that's all I can say.
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I advised him on what to do via PM rycen. ;) he needs to report via the itrader feedback page.
 
hhmoore said:
In this case, the OP may have been a little premature, in that he jumped to the second party within 20 minutes at a time when he knew the messaging systems were iffy...but the law of the land would seem to indicate that where was no transaction since the person never paid.
Obviously, as a registered member, he could not have PMd...but he could have been trying to send a visitor message (some newer members seem to think that's the same). I don't blame the other party for being annoyed...but, at the same time, a seller can sell to whomever he/she wants.
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It's entirely, Tom's prerogative, to sell to whomever he chooses- period! Nothing excuses this butt hurt, member, for leaving negative, retaliatory feedback, when in fact there wasn't a completed transaction between he, & the OP.

This is thee exact reason, WHY, there needs to be changes to BF's feedback policy. There need's to be some type of mechanism in place, which allows them to correct/reverse this type of retaliatory negative feedback, when this happens (which is quite frequently btw). This was left in direct violation of it's (BladeForums), OWN RULES!!!

This BS needs to stop. Thanks for sharing this with the other forum member's, Tom. Member, JPBigButthurt, has been added to my: NEVER TO DO BUSINESS WITH, LIST.

Tom- best of luck, getting this ridiculous negative feedback, reversed!
 
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KELAMA said:
It's entirely, Tom's prerogative, to sell to whomever he chooses- period! Nothing excuses this butt hurt, member, for leaving negative, retaliatory feedback, when in fact there wasn't a completed transaction between he, & the OP.

This is thee exact reason, WHY, there needs to be changes to BF's feedback policy. There need's to be some type of mechanism in place, which allows them to correct/reverse this type of retaliatory negative feedback, when this happens (which is quite frequently btw). This was left in direct violation of it's (BladeForums), OWN RULES!!!

This BS needs to stop. Thanks for sharing this with the other forum member's, Tom. Member, JPBigButthurt, has been added to my: NEVER TO DO BUSINESS WITH, LIST.

Tom- best of luck, getting this ridiculous negative feedback, reversed!
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Stop. Breathe in. Exhale slowly.
There is a policy in place.
Heavy infractions.

The word will get out. But Spark has already explained. iTrader is not an integral part of the software we use. This limits the control we can have to customize it.
 
KELAMA,
I am not sure why you quoted me in your post, since I acknowledged that no transaction had taken place AND stated that a seller can sell to whomever he wants. Perhaps it was because I suggested that the seller may have jumped quickly to the second? Again, acknowledging that a seller can sell to whomever he wants, if a seller were to post to me in that manner after 2 minutes, I'd likely tell him to keep his knife (no matter how badly I wanted it). The fact that the seller acknowledged that the messaging system was acting up makes his approach less understandable, IMO.

I could care less that the seller jumped to the next person in line - that's his prerogative - but I can still understand why the other party was annoyed. (Note - I didn't say the rating was legitimate, even if I'm glad I was exposed to that thread because of it)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Stop. Breathe in. Exhale slowly.
There is a policy in place.
Heavy infractions.

The word will get out. But Spark has already explained. iTrader is not an integral part of the software we use. This limits the control we can have to customize it.
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Esav- I actually use this breathing technique, & it works quite well. Thank you! :thumbup:

With all due respect, it just doesn't seem quite fair, seeing time and again, a newer (NON PAYING) member coming on here & doing exactly what, JPBig did. He has permanently tarnished an otherwise stellar, long standing member's reputation (Tom), with negative ugly feedback, & he receives a, heavy infraction? :rolleyes:

Personally, I don't feel the scales are being evenly balanced, to remedy these type of grossly unfair situations. I personally, would much rather receive a "heavy infraction," than have a stigma/asterisk 97% feedback next to my name, every time I placed a sales thread. The bottom line: JPBig, violated a rule that was put in place on this forum, & his ignorance/immaturity, needs to be corrected.

Many times these NON SUPPORTING newbie's, ride off into the sunset, & leave their collateral damage behind them...I hope that this will not be the case here. Somebody on this forum (Spark) has the ability to correct, Tom's, negative feedback. I hope that he does the right thing, & restores it back to 100%.

Just check back into the archives, & see how many other member's reputations have been unfairly tarnished, due to this type behavior! Eye Dog, Rio, Big Mark, just to name a few. I do realize that every situation is unique, however in many cases, I've seen fellow BF brother's, suffer the consequences of a rule that's in place, but unfortunately, isn't working fairly/correctly, to protect them & their reputation.

JPBig's actions, just proves that you made the right call, Tom! These type of childish actions, are the reason why, I try my best to be as discriminating as possible, (when I sell a knife here, to a total stranger). Regardless- on any given transaction it's a crapshoot; you are rolling the dice, hoping that you aren't dealing with someone like, JPBig.

Thanks!
 
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I haven't yet had a transaction with Tom, although I bet I will at some point as he sells some very nice knives. I have seen many of his sales threads, though, and he always handles them in a professional and straightforward manner, as his feedback reflects.

I buy and sell a lot on BF myself, and appreciate the platform we have to do that here. I know that if I received negative feedback which should not have even been posted in the first place, I would be pretty upset because, like Tom, I value my reputation (and feedback) and work hard to keep it in good stead.

If the rule is that you can't leave feedback if there is no transaction, it seems pretty clear that that rule was broken here. There should be a way to correct this in the iTrader system and I hope that happens soon.

Andrew
 
Same thing recently happened to me, except the guy who did mine, was way worse. I started a thread in tech support asking Spark to clear it up at the advise of Morrow too. Hopefully, Spark will take care of it soon. I feel for your pain Mercyfulfate. Hope yours gets cleared up soon as well.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Stop. Breathe in. Exhale slowly.
There is a policy in place.
Heavy infractions.

The word will get out. But Spark has already explained. iTrader is not an integral part of the software we use. This limits the control we can have to customize it.
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KELAMA said:
Esav- I actually use this breathing technique, & it works quite well. Thank you! :thumbup:

With all due respect, it just doesn't seem quite fair,
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you missed the important part of Esav's post. I have provided emphasis.

It is not that BF does not want to customize the system. It is that it cannot be customized. iTrader is third party software.

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