Review Request: Cold Steel Cullodens

I can't believe I'm doing this. I really, really hate Cold Steel's advertising, but I must admit that, due to everyone's praise of either a selection of or their entire product line, I am interested in some of their stuff. Now I'd like your opinions on their Cullodens, both regular and mini. That is, how do they hold up doing regular chores? You can opine about serrations, but I'm not planning on getting one. Would it be a pretty good light hiking/light utility knife? Howzabout self-defense? Worried about the lack of a guard, ya know. Interesting design, and is it true that it comes in Carbon V, too? What the hell is Carbon V, anyway? Thanks in advance.
 
Thrawn,

I have one that was given to me as a gift a few years ago. It is the large Carbon V with no serrations. It came out of the box with a decent edge, but I don't remember exactly how sharp it was. The culloden carbon V takes a good edge and holds it pretty good. It is also relatively easy to sharpen. But, it rusts easily. The kydex sheath that it came with is pretty loose and won't hold the knife upside down, but is fine normally on the belt. The biggest down side to the knife, besides blade style, is the handle. It is awful. I have large hands and can not hold it comfortably in any position except reverse. I have tried using it as an utility
knife (cutting rope, boxes, etc.) and gave up on it. And, I would not reccomend it as a defensive knife either because of the handle. The only use that I have found for it is throwing at trees. But, if you still decide to get one, I would find one in a local knife shop and look at it first. You may change your mind about it when you see it and hold it. If I were you I would pick another knife like a Falkniven or Junglee.

Hope this helps.

John

 
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I think that the advantage of the Culloden is that once I get my Kilt, I can wear a quality skeen dugh (I know I mangled the spelling) in my sock top. My personal opinion is that any fixed blade knife of that size is a last ditch weapon anyway. Plus for utility purposes I prefer a hawksbill blade. Still, I plan on buying one sometime in the next year.

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SFC

"Is it easier to fight them or to kill them?"
 
The CS Culloden is a stabbing weapon, not a utility knife. It is actually a 'legalized' dagger. The handle has IMO been designed to hold with two fingers instead of a full hand.Just think of it as the .45 pocket pistol analog in the knife world. One stab wound, correctly aimed, should be deadly. It is a weapon to kill quickly, not to maim.
One small grudge I have is that I can't find out beforehand wether the side I will put my thumb on to support stabbing is the sharp side or the one with the filework. The grip should make one feel that.

It showed up here shaving sharp out of the box. I don't like the cheapo plastic sheat either - CS, take an example at the Böker specialist, or some kydex sheats with different carry options. Also, the rivets of the plastic sheat come apart quite quickly.
 
I haven't had a Culloden in my hand, I only saw it at "my trusted knifeshop", so I cannot discuss how Cold Steel make this modern version of Sgian Dhub.

But when I was in Scotland I noted:

- the handle of Sgian Dhub is quite close to the Culloden's one. I think CS didn't want to change the shape of this knife;

- the Scottish Sgian Dhub are NOT straight, ther handle makes an angle with the blade (say, 170 degrees instead 180 (straight)). So it can be easier inserted in your socks;

- the tang of the Sgian Dhub actually sold in Scotland is very thin, say 4 mm x 1.5 mm and one inch long;

- historically, this knife was the only weapon you could carry when you were visiting friends and allied people: you had to leave your sword and your dirk at the gate;

- Sgian Dhub is a stabbing knife only. Its tang is very weak. As we can call it here in Italy, it can be called "gut-carver".

So mussi is right when he says it is only a stabbing weapon. And the Culloden are only a modern version of it. Quite cute, but here in Italy they costs an ridicolous amount of money.

Falcenberg

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Hey Falcenberg, where in Italy are you from? I used to live in Naples a few years ago. Thanks everyone for your opinions, it looks like this knife wouldn't suit my purposes, either utility or fighting. I'm not quite a stabber yet, but I'll keep it in mind when I do.
 
Thrawn,

from many different places and different times I came...

OK, just kidding. I was born in Perugia, took my degree in Engineering at Pisa University, worked in many towns and cities of Central Italy (Perugia, Florence, Rome, Pisa, Macerata,...), now I live in Rome.

During the summer you can find (very hard!) me wandering through hills and mountains of Italy, with some friends of mine, ranging from one to three. Very often I trek through National Park of "Monti Sibillini", a group of mountains (from 2000 to 2500 meters high) haunted by the Sorceress Sibilla, cited in many Medioeval books and legends.

Please note I don't have any direct experience about CS Culloden. It could be stronger than a "normal" Sgian Dhub or weaker. I don't have any idea how big is the tang of the Culloden. IMHO you have to go to a knifeshop and look and handle it as far as you can.

What I would give you and all Forumites with my last message about Sgian Dhub was an historical background of that kind of knife and a reason for its shape.

But my opinion is still it is a stabbing knife.

About the price, here in Italy you have to pay the whole price (no discounts or seconds), plus Custom Taxes and Fees, so this is why I told its price here is ridicolous.

BTW, my opinion about CS knives (I don't mention they advertising) is they prefer "thougher" knives to "harder", so they don't have an high HRC, but are difficult to break (if you know the story mentioned in they first advertising, before the hype, you can understand why). They made very nice "innovations" in design and steel (re-discovered Tanto blades, carbon no-stainless steel), but now they have lost their "innovative" spirit. They make innovations only on shape of knives.

They could start to test new alloys and handle material.

I hope you will not flame me, but this is the same kind of remark I made to Benchmade in their Forum two years ago. I would like to see different alloys than ATS-34, and now they are using M2 HSS. I hope CS too will give us more alloys than AUS-8, AUS-10, Carbon V.

One thing matters: if you don't innovate, you will be overtaken by someone who does it.

Falcenberg
 
I can't believe you just said that about new steels...just joking! Nah, I wouldn't flame you for making that remark. I am in agreement w/ you, Falcenberg, CS should use something other than their "super tough...outperforms ATS-34" AUS-8 and their Carbon V and AUS-10 and actually use ATS-34 or BG-42, or 154CM or M2...whatever steel, as long as it isn't AUS-8!

On the innovation point, you are correct. I don't like a lot of Cold Steel's and Benchmade's stuff b/c it's not very innovative. Spyderco's got a lot of neat stuff and some other makers out there, do, too. I like to see that. So amen to that comment, as well!

Rome...haven't been there in years and I used to go there about 5 times a year for high school athletics. Lucky you, Italy is a great place to live. The price for imported stuff, however, is, as you said, outrageously high. Don't you guys have some good knifemakers out there, though?
 
Thrawn, I like very much to talk about alloys!

[...] and actually use ATS-34 or BG-42, or 154CM or M2...whatever steel, as long as it isn't AUS-8!
[...]

I don't like very much ATS-34 too, it seems to me an alloy made "to have something of all", a good compromise between all the choices available:
- it has an high carbon content, but could be higher,
- it is stainless, but sometimes can rust (poor heat treatment),
- it could have some "exotic" component (Molydbenum, Vanadium, Tungsten, ...), but it has Molybdenum only.

I prefer a steel more "biased": M2 (it can rust, but it is tougher and more wear resistent), CPM 3V, BG-42. I can understand why a steel like these can drive people crazy: it has many elements to form nice carbides, and some other to have a grain structure to be though (I cannot bear to carry 25 different blades every times I stay in the wilderness more than three days because I have to chop branches, to cut food, to fix something, to skin my game). A knife like Busses could be nice, if there was a Battle Mistress with a point a little less broad. BTW, I would like the Millennium Fighter in CPM 3V by Hossom.

[...] Rome...haven't been there in years and I used to go there about 5 times a year for high school athletics. Lucky you, Italy is a great place to live.

I am not very sure of this. It seems to me all is going down. I discuss these arguments with Chiro (our Forumite), who lived in Italy too some years ago, and I have to say there are every day some problem more. Economy is not very good: we have our problems (Italian Economy is not that good), and now we are having problems with our new "money", the Euro. It started on 1 January 1999 at 1.16 USD/Euro, now is 0,96 USD/Euro (a loss of 18% in a year). This, added to the increasing oil price, is giving some problems to us.

Moreover, clandestine immigration from Eastern Europe, Albania and Africa is very high. When you take a bus, very often you are the only Italian there (and only you pay the ticket). Some people are very wild, and very often they are annoying, if not hurting or dangerous. Every station of the Underground there is someone who wander in your wagon asking for money, not to say other problems about steals, violence, drugs and weird car driving.

And our Government says all is going well, we are strong and safe. I don't feel strong and safe. And I am tired of all that "Italian" stuff every time we go abroad to help people in distress. I don't know if you heard the last scandal about the help Italian people sent to Kosovo, that was taken in part by Albania, in part by Albanese Mafia, in part was sold by some managers of the Italian mission to rich people in Albania or Kosovo, instead giving it to poor people for free, and at the end they covered up their steals with a fake riot of poor profugees.

Near Perugia, where I was born, in September 1997 there was a big earthquake. Many people in the mountains lost their home. But not so many people, say 20.000 people. Well, after 2 years and half they are still living in houses made with one container, with 3-4 feet of snow during the winter and only electric heating. From time to time some politic goes there and says "This is the Last Christmas you live in Containers!". Last Christmas was the third they listen the same words. But money for Jubilee was found immediately... And they live only 200 kilometers from Rome and Florence. European Community gave money to nations that had serious earthquake, but we don't ask anything because we are a "big" and "rich" nation. Someone could be "big" and "rich", but our people is living in the mountains in tin houses.

[...] The price for imported stuff, however, is, as you said, outrageously high. Don't you guys have some good knifemakers out there, though?

Industry? Yes, but not more 440 C knives. Good stuff (FOX, Virginia, Camel by Prezioso,...) at the right price, I used it many times with no problems and big pleasure, but no "exotic" steels. Some Damascus, but I fell so much pain using a Damascus blade with a so nice pattern to chop wood for my camp fire.

Yes, we have some Custom Knifemakers, but until not far ago they made "jevelry" knives, not though and useful knives. And I don't believe they can proper heat-treat a CPM alloy.

So, if I want Excalibur, my "Maid of the Lake" still lives in USA.

Falcenberg

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Falcenberg,

Sorry Italy's going down the tubes, amico. When I was there, it was kinda bad, but I spent some time in a Third World nation. Yeah, the drugs, bad gov't, etc. was there, then, too, but it's depressing to hear that it's getting worse. I tend to remember the beautiful stuff, though. Like Ischia in the springtime, or Venice in the spring, you know, stuff like that, Sicily in early summer, and hell, even parts of Naples. But then you have to live there, right? Well, if you ever get sick of it, I'm sure there's somewhere you'll love over here--at least love enough to live in! My ex-girlfriend still lives there, she works w/ NATO forces and she really hasn't said anything bad, but I'm sure she sees it, just like you do. That's a damn shame.

Oh yeah, knives...not a fan of AUS-8, eh? Per che? Haven't heard/spoken/read Italiano in a long time. I'm not a big fan of it, either. I do happen to like ATS-34, though, it's a pretty good all around steel, but then 1095 is good, too. Never had 440C, so I don't know about that. I'll let you know how my new and cheap 12C27 blade turns out.
 
[...] Yeah, the drugs, bad gov't, etc. was there, then, too, but it's depressing to hear that it's getting worse.

I would like to make some comments about these arguments, but I really don't know if it could be dangerous. Someone could read my posts. No kidding.

[...] But then you have to live there, right?

You are absolutely right.

[...] Well, if you ever get sick of it, I'm sure there's somewhere you'll love over here--at least love enough to live in!

I love my country, but this is the same reason because I am sad about it. I think I still live here because I am a little too lazy to not go abroad. Last year I had enough, and I tried to take a work in Saudi Arabia, in Rijad, but I wasn't unsuccessful. Saudi Arabia is not California, but it was a well payed work that would last one year. And after there could be some possibilities in other European countries. Do you think you could help me to have an USA citizenship :-) ?

[...] Oh yeah, knives...not a fan of AUS-8, eh? Per che? Haven't heard/spoken/read Italiano in a long time. I'm not a big fan of it, either. I do happen to like ATS-34, though, it's a pretty good all around steel, but then 1095 is good, too. Never had 440C, so I don't know about that. I'll let you know how my new and cheap 12C27 blade turns out.

I have to say if I have to choose between two knife, same shape and dimension, one in AUS-8, the other in ATS-34, I am quite sure I'll go for the AUS-8 (or I'll buy both ;-) ). This because I broke some blades and I am able to put a decent edge on a dull blade. But AUS-8 is a normal steel. I would like to have the "Ultimate Knife", the last before Jedi Knight's Light Saber.

About ATS-34 I am a little annoyed by some hype about it some time ago: I agree that if properly heat treated it can make great blades, but if I give the same attention to other steels, I believe I can obtain very better blades. And if I have to spend $ 1000 USD for the heat treatment, why don't you spend it to heat treat more "advanced" alloys?

440 C is a good stainless steel, that I believe very near to ATS-34, and just because it has a less famous name, you can have a good knife for a very cheap price. And when I go trekking, very often I hurt and abuse my knives.

I read the thread about 12C27 blade, and I am waiting for news about how it will perform.

Falcenberg

P.S.: "Per che?" Quite good. "Why" in Italian is "Perche'", but your translation is a logical one: "Per che" means "For What". The meaning is correct, it lacks the accent, but there isn't a precise rule for the accent. Italian people know that "Perche'" has an accent, but this only because they know Italian Dictonary and know the pronunciation of the word. I see you remember Italian quite good.
 
Sorry about my butchering the Italian, Falcenberg, I often refer back to Spanish when trying to say stuff in your language. Wow, the idea that someone would read your posts and come after you about it...that's insane.

As for the 12C27 knife, I really didn't get to do much w/ it except prepare food and jab it into some tree stumps by the sea. I threw it into the sand (not hard) a few times, and whacked at a few branches, and while slicing bread, it cut so deeply that it went into the table, but I didn't do anything hard w/ it. In fact, that's not what I really intended to do w/ it anyway. I happen to take care of my knives--I treat them like my car. If I want my knife to last, I'll use it appropriately and clean it when it needs it. As for the steel, I can say this--it somehow felt a lot smoother than any of my ATS-34 blades and seemed to "slide/slice" smoother, too. I think that's something to do w/ the carbide content. In any case, the knife has done exactly what I needed it to do, and I have a feeling it'd do more.
 
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