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Rippn' on Bear Grylls

Oh, OK.. In that case I think you would enjoy Lester's show much more then Bears. Basically, he is dropped off in the wilderness on different parts of the planet and has 2-3 cameras, tripods, and multiple charged batteries for seven days. No crew, no medical team no nothing in that regard. Typically he has a multitool(Leatherman) and the clothes on his back. Although the gear varies slightly here and there. He then has to walk out to civilization on the seventh day or they send out rescue after day seven. Anyway..

If you have a VCR and have any interest, perhaps I could try my hand at taping a few episodes for you to send off to you afterword?
 
Any guy that pee's on his bandana and wraps it around his head gets my vote for "nut-job of the century". Grylls is the hands down winner.
 
I pick up something handy from the Grylls shows now and then, but I get crazy when he starts climbing down waterfalls or jumping down cliff faces. Good stuff for trained climbers and mission-oriented military --- both in top physical condition-- but near suicide for the average joe. It is what it is: entertainment.

Survivorman is a little better, but he has done some stupid stunts too: "don't do this without training....." Aaahhhhhhhhhhh, SPLAT!!!!!!!

I'd love to see a real educational series-- episodes on fire making, wild food gathering and prep, shelter building, first aid, navigation, kits, knnnnnives, good bibliographies, etc, etc. "And now Norm is going to build a 2 story log cabin with a Cold Steel Voyager and a rock...."
 
DaleW said:
I'd love to see a real educational series-- episodes on fire making, wild food gathering and prep, shelter building, first aid, navigation, kits, knnnnnives, good bibliographies, etc, etc. "And now Norm is going to build a 2 story log cabin with a Cold Steel Voyager and a rock...."
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ME TOO!!! And I think it would be a bigger hit than either Bear or Les. Chris
 
Ladies and gentlemen,

I will just mention that supermarkets did not exist until less than 100 years ago. The human race has managed to live on meat that was rotten and smelly for a long time before that. It is a matter of what you are used to. Even today, the most expensive steaks have been "aged" for a long time before serving.

Seamen lived on meat that had enough salt on it to choke a heart Doctor, for months on end. Even then, all they needed was some vinegar or Citrus fruit added to the diet, then they could live for 2-3 years at sea.

Here is one way to "age" meat...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosciutto

A more common way before refrigeration was to let the meat hang in the slaughterhouse until it got slimy then wash it off. Do that 2 or 3 times and then cut it up and sell it. The rotteness (bacterial action) made the meat more tender.
 
sunnyd said:
Guyon,
Isn't that exactly what Les Stroud does on Survivorman??. Or am I missing somthing here?
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Like the shadow of his cameraman in one episode? :D

Seems to me that in a survival situation you are, by definition, already at significant risk of death. Any behavior that unnecessarily adds to the risk of death, including risking serious illness or injury, is pretty foolish. "Bear" displays taking unecessary risks repeatedly. Les does so "less" often. (Cringe! :p )

I was reminded of all this when canoeing in Canada and noticed that the real pros all those years ago never ran any real rapids they could unload and carry around = risk avoidance when you are really out on the sharp edge.

But it's just entertainment. Might as well get angry at "Survivor."

(And I surely wouldn't want to start a fire. It would drive the wildlife away and spoil all those "local color" shots. :rolleyes: The indigs have been using fire for that function for millennia -- as well as for cooking meat that they know better than to eat raw. I mean, raw meat would never draw predators, right? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D )
 
I like watching Bear's show, but for entertainment not necesarily education. In honesty, I can say it's one of the few Discovery channel shows I watch. Likewise, I agree that Bear is in adventure mode moreso than survival trainer mode. The fact of the matter is that most people don't really know what's up and want to see action. That brings ratings. The type of folks that convene here are a minority, and remember that ratings from the masses are what keep shows on the air or not. There's only 1 reason why these companies operate- to generate capital.

I'm guessing most people in the western world aren't going to eat "horse" meat (zebra) even if it were cooked, unless they were truly starving to death
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Actually, in Europe they have no problem eating horses. Not eating horses is an American thing.
 
RescueRiley said:
here in nyc fancy folks pay good money to eat raw food they call them raw bars .I ate some raw duck while in paris
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Yup, Ive eaten plenty of raw beaver myself. Luckily the blood in my alcohol stream was never affected on any of those weekends.
 
It is however, very interesting to know that there are some things we humans 'can" do...

Not if we "should" do them, but just the fact that in a real life survival situation where it's a matter of life and death, you can come upon a dead animal and eat some. ( if it's between that and death.)
 
I'm not an expert, but did grow up outdoors alot. My Dad tought me two rules to cold weather survival. 1) Don't get wet! 2) Don't stay wet!
I've seen him break both repeatedly.

On top of raw meat, he seems to ask for gravity poisoning alot too!

But hey, he and Les Stroud are always good for a laugh.
 
mp510 said:
Actually, in Europe they have no problem eating horses. Not eating horses is an American thing.
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I agree, it's a cultural thing.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c21Cp.html

According to those people, raw horse meat is a perfectly viable food. Maybe Bear should have thunked that wild horse that one time instead of trying to ride it! :D

Heh, gravity poisoning... I'd take my chances on a rare steak before a waterfall any day.
 
stevetexas said:
Seamen lived on meat that had enough salt on it to choke a heart Doctor, for months on end. QUOTE]

And we still do...have you ever eaten hotdogs from ecuador? beyond disgusting...I'd rather eat raw zebra anyday.

Seriously, these shows are for entertainment, they are not educational. I think the Les Stroud show is way more "realistic" though.

Does anyone watch "I Shouldn't be alive?" This show dramatizes actual survival situations. Plus, there is a new run called I Shouldn't be alive: Science of Survival that has survival experts showing you how you could have survived, A jungle episode with a survival expert/ex special forces guy mike Hawke was really good. I like this one the best, but I'll admit, they all have their flaws...as you have all stated previosly.
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darthstrevel said:
And we still do...have you ever eaten hotdogs from ecuador? beyond disgusting...I'd rather eat raw zebra anyday.
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"There are two things you don't want to watch being made: sausages and laws." --- Mark Twain

Raw carrion is always on the top of my menu --- PTOOI!
 
DaleW said:
"There are two things you don't want to watch being made: sausages and laws." --- Mark Twain

Raw carrion is always on the top of my menu --- PTOOI!
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Great quote from MT...you really should have seen (but not eaten) those ecuadorian hotdogs...:barf:
 
Sorry to be kinda off topic, but... I hear a lot about survivorman and les stroud. I've seen man vs wild on discovery channel. Does anyone have any links to episodes of survivorman and/or this les stroud guy?

Thanks.
 
I do enjoy watching these shows but yes I agree Bear is probably prodding at death closer than necessary and taking some really uncalculated risks. I guess it is tough to say if the show is meant as entertainment or education. Perhaps he is trying to induce survival skills by motivation and not just lying down and dying if things seem hopeless...At any rate it would be damn boring to watch someone just lie around waiting to be found right?
 
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