Ritter blade grind...

mycough

mycough

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I am not a benchmade fan. I have never kept one, and it has always been the grind and lack of sharpness. The low Rockwell of a given steel has also been a deterrent.
I have been having great luck with M390 and like the lock the grip/Ritter grip uses.
I am considering a large Ritter in m390 but the blade looks really thick and from photos looks to have an obtuse edge.
Could you guys fill me in on the blade grind? I generally carry a slicy style blade but the possibility of Wilkins scales and my love of M390 is calling me.
Those of you who carry this knife please chime in, I don't buy many production knives these days but this one is on my short list.
Thanks, Russ
 
I can share my recent experiences with the Mini Grips. A couple of months ago I bought a 556 mini and I (still) really like it. But when I cut apples, it always felt like "chopping" them apart. A Sebenza or a full flat ground Spyderco makes a much better slicer. That's why I decided to buy a Ritter Mini in M390. It is a much better slicer than the 556, because the blade is wider and the angle of the main grind isn't that as steep. The regular Griptilian blade is a sabre grind, that's why the angle is so steep.

Now that I have both, I feel like i strongly prefer the Ritter Grip just for the grind.
 
bp_173 said:
I can share my recent experiences with the Mini Grips. A couple of months ago I bought a 556 mini and I (still) really like it. But when I cut apples, it always felt like "chopping" them apart. A Sebenza or a full flat ground Spyderco makes a much better slicer. That's why I decided to buy a Ritter Mini in M390. It is a much better slicer than the 556, because the blade is wider and the angle of the main grind isn't that as steep. The regular Griptilian blade is a sabre grind, that's why the angle is so steep.

Now that I have both, I feel like i strongly prefer the Ritter Grip just for the grind.
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Thanks for the reply, the only guy out of 100 views with an answer for me. I guess either ritters arent popular or their owners cant answer a few simple questions.
Think I will end up with chinese knife with a good grind.....
Russ
 
I can add the Mini-Ritter with custom scals is my daily carry. On apples it can feel a little "choppy", but I have not issues with slicing tasks.

I have rotated many models and always find my way back to the Mini-Ritter and the 707 Sequel.

Hope this helps you.
 
mycough said:
I am not a benchmade fan. I have never kept one, and it has always been the grind and lack of sharpness. The low Rockwell of a given steel has also been a deterrent.
I have been having great luck with M390 and like the lock the grip/Ritter grip uses.
I am considering a large Ritter in m390 but the blade looks really thick and from photos looks to have an obtuse edge.
Could you guys fill me in on the blade grind? I generally carry a slicy style blade but the possibility of Wilkins scales and my love of M390 is calling me.
Those of you who carry this knife please chime in, I don't buy many production knives these days but this one is on my short list.
Thanks, Russ
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Your post confuses me a little, you said "lack of sharpness" but that's not even a factor in a knife if you know how to sharpen like most of us should, i can get 440c just as sharp as my m390. Seems you mean "factory sharpness" which is a lottery with any knife manufacturer and shouldn't be the reason to not keep a knife if it's a good design and fits your needs. Also the obtuse edges you speak of, never found benchmade to have overly obtuse edges, you must use an opinel on a daily basis. Obtuse edges would be more in the ZT range of knives. Also the rockwell, their standard models are rockwelled pretty much around the normal rating of most production folders that are in the same price ranges, even their standard 154cm i find holds up better or just as good as other steels said to be much better on paper because they've perfected the heat treat on it. Their M390, M4, s90 and s30v etc. are all great. Put some context into what you've used previously to help us get a feel of your knife use. Aside from the that the M390 ritter cuts great and holds an edge great.
 
I have one mini Ritter in wilks scales and just today order another for my ti wilks scales. It will replace a 555 blade although I will still have one more 555 in the rotation.
 
Mick_1KRR said:
Your post confuses me a little, you said "lack of sharpness" but that's not even a factor in a knife if you know how to sharpen like most of us should, i can get 440c just as sharp as my m390. Seems you mean "factory sharpness" which is a lottery with any knife manufacturer and shouldn't be the reason to not keep a knife if it's a good design and fits your needs. Also the obtuse edges you speak of, never found benchmade to have overly obtuse edges, you must use an opinel on a daily basis. Obtuse edges would be more in the ZT range of knives. Also the rockwell, their standard models are rockwelled pretty much around the normal rating of most production folders that are in the same price ranges, even their standard 154cm i find holds up better or just as good as other steels said to be much better on paper because they've perfected the heat treat on it. Their M390, M4, s90 and s30v etc. are all great. Put some context into what you've used previously to help us get a feel of your knife use. Aside from the that the M390 ritter cuts great and holds an edge great.
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Briefly, their factory edges and grinds are substandard. They are as obtuse as zt and there is no need of it. Also, in a given steel, such as m4 for instance they come in lower than spyderco.
Anyone who knows me or reads my posts know I can sharpen. Doesn't mean I want to buy a dull knife.

Russ
 
No matter what steel the blade is, if it is thick behind the edge, it is not going to slice like you might want it to. The 556 and other BMs that have the saber grind can be thinned out but it does require some work. You might want to try a 585, not quite a full flat grind but close. For slicing and such you can't beat an Opinel or a Spyderco flat ground blade. The BM 555 with hollow grind is quite nice.
 
The saber flat ground mini/grip are too obtuse. The hollow ground versions are much better. The Ritter mini/grip are fairly slicey. Overall Benchmades are ground pretty well. 710, Contego, Rift, no complaints. ZTs are worse (or better perhaps for hard use). Factory edges aren't as consistently sharp as Spyderco.
 
I own a large hybrid Ritter in S30V. With that high flat ground blade it's arguably one of the best slicers in my stable. Would I ever let go of the rest over this one? Maybe so, it's that good. If one blade ever truly made the knife what it is, there's no use in looking any further.


 
The Ritter in M390 is a beast, even more so with a razor edge. Just a wicked slicer!
Large and mini both M390

 
baja820 said:
Its the Raw aluminum Applied weapons tech scales. I put some swirls on it to spice it up a bit. Lol
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I think he's talking about the Ritter with the white scales third from bottom. The swirled scales one is cool.
 
I'm well pleased with my Mini Ritter Grip in M390. Slices all I put in front of it, holds an edge VERY well, and is easy to sharpen(well easier than S30V).
I use it for apples.
 
mycough said:
Briefly, their factory edges and grinds are substandard. They are as obtuse as zt and there is no need of it. Also, in a given steel, such as m4 for instance they come in lower than spyderco.
Anyone who knows me or reads my posts know I can sharpen. Doesn't mean I want to buy a dull knife.

Russ
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I get what you're saying but you're painting with a broad brush and it's just not accurate. You think the crooked river, hollow ground griptilians, Presidios or 710's come with grinds and bevels as obtuse as ZT's? i'm afraid that's just not true, not even close. The adamas and a few others - yes. But i understand you are after a very thin behind the edge knife, plenty of options i'm sure you'll grab one soon enough.
 
I have a full sized Ritter with ti Wilkins scales, but honestly, I've never used it. I'll likely move it along at some point. That combination just turns out to be a bit to heavy to choose over my mini Ritter, which I find to be fantastic. Great slicer, though does have the slightest touch of chop, as I haven't thinned the edge from factory grind. The factory grind was very good overall and came very sharp on both. For reference my other regular carries are presidios - full size at work, mini elsewhere and a 940-1. I also carried a barrage for a long time, but it lives in a tool box most of the time now. The Ritter is pretty much a hybrid of what these others offer, minus maybe the 940, a very different shape, so hard to compare. Hope any of that is useful. Good luck on whatever choice you make.
 
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