just to let everyone out there know and to give credit where do,i just went up to Rivers Edge cutlery store to look at what they had and i came away with a strider GB (ordered that is) and those guys are great to deal with. after i bought the knife we just hung out for a while looking at different knives handling them and chatting up some of the regulars as well. one of the great things about this was that the regulars we were talking to were cops so we got the low down on carry laws.