RMJ shrike or Winkler II Combat axe?

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I love both of these pieces but the wife says i can only have one. Price aside, which of these two would you choose for a multi purpose outdoor, get through anything I may encounter tool? Wood work, building shelter, breaching, use as a weapon, etc

I have limited time behind the shrike and like it alot, but i recently handled the winkler CA instantly fell in love. Just a BEAST in hand and I dont get that feel from the rmj. The shrikes shoulder carry system and insulated handle are positives but not a deal breaker by any means. Push me in the right direction guys!! Lol
 
Personally I prefer the feel of the Winkler much more than the RMJ Shrikes, I do love the feel of the Jenny Wren though. Your steel preference (5160 vs 4140) may help you decide if you feel they are equal.
 
I'd have to go for the Winkler just because its a Winkler. My good friend on Seal team 6 carries a Winkler, most of them do....
 
I have a Shrike S13 that I use a lot. I've handled a friends Winkler and it's definitely nice but I prefer the longer spike of the RMJ for breaching and prying, I like the insulated handle for protection against "electrocution" and I prefer RMJ's sheath retention (If it's not in place when I get there it does me no good).
If you don't need those features go with the Winkler. . . .
 
I can see how the two would be compared for use because they are similar in size and function but it's really like comparing a Kia to a Bugatti. Both will get you were you are going and probably just as quick but one holds a much higher value....

Doesn't take much to make your own carry system or throw a leather wrap on the handle...
 
I can see how the two would be compared for use because they are similar in size and function but it's really like comparing a Kia to a Bugatti. Both will get you were you are going and probably just as quick but one holds a much higher value....

Doesn't take much to make your own carry system or throw a leather wrap on the handle...


Your assessment is ignorant and insulting. As a fan of both Winkler's and Johnson's work I can't imagine where you came upon this assessment. Both axes are top tier with only a different aesthetic separating them. For me, the Winkler wins out on looks, and as such would be my choice, though I currently own neither axe.



And for the record a Bugatti probably wouldn't make it 5 miles down I80 here in PA, so it's not really a good thing to compare a hard use combat axe to :D

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You need a tissue?

I don't like people who get offended and insulted so easily....

You're right, PA is a shit hole
 
I love both of these pieces but the wife says i can only have one. Price aside, which of these two would you choose for a multi purpose outdoor, get through anything I may encounter tool? Wood work, building shelter, breaching, use as a weapon, etc
The Shrike has the advantage for breaching and demolition because the handle does not go all the way up the haft to the head, so you don't tear it up and get things like glass embedded in it when you have to rake glass, or other materials.
IMO the Winkler will have an advantage in some wood work, and skinning/butchering where you would be choked up under the head.
Based on that I would decide based on what activities you plan on doing more of.

I have limited time behind the shrike and like it alot, but i recently handled the winkler CA instantly fell in love. Just a BEAST in hand and I dont get that feel from the rmj. The shrikes shoulder carry system and insulated handle are positives but not a deal breaker by any means. Push me in the right direction guys!! Lol
All else being equal, I recommend you go with the one that speaks to you more,which in this case is the Winkler. Other than the situations outlined above where one has a slight advantage over the other, I'd say they are equally capable of general-purpose use.
 
Get both, tested the hell out of them and then sell the one you don't feel like it on BF.
 
it could be so easy...

RMJ for breaching
Winkler for fighting

As a multi purpose tool/weapon I'd take the RMJ because the scales don't go up the whole handle to the head - often in the way imo, mostly when splitting wood.

But in the end it's your choice (best advice: don't listen to fanboys)
 
"I sacrificed strength for cutting ability. Most of your hooking is going to be cutting and most of your impact hitting is going to be on the upper, forward edge and spike. Can you break the beard if you try hard enough? Yes, but I decided that the incredible advantage of the hooking/cutting edge outweighed the strength factors." - From the horses mouth.

I want a superior tool not one that has a known flaw. I'm also opting for what Dev Gru opts for. After all, they do all the testing for the most innovative tactical weapons on planet earth. I'll take their word for it.

Kia is a good vehicle with a great warranty, life time. I'd drive one, IF I had too. Hope that clears things up for those who have been so easily offended.
 
just buy the shrike i have for sale in the for sale section and try it for yourself:)
 
"Hope that clears things up for those who have been so easily offended.

Who said I was offended? I just asked a question based on your comparison. Seems to me the difference in quality and features between a KIA and Bugatti have a huge gap.....no? Are you suggesting that a Winkler and an RMJ tomahawk have a similar gap?

Just taking your statement at face value.
 
I was able to fondle some beautiful Winkler hawks at blade in '12, I sought out his booth because I fell in love with the way his hawks look and then after falling in love I researched them and found out that they're not only gorgeous but are top tier hawks- sweet!
I spoke to Mr. Winkler for about 30 minutes, he let me fondle every axe he had for the show, rubber handles, wood handles, tribal carved wood handles, different sizes, spikes and hammer pols, etc. fit and finish on all of them was superb and the weight distribution was just perfect; the larger hawk felt like you could take a tank apart with it.
Needless to say I was very happy to have that opportunity and only had one concern about the design before dropping that much cash on something I'm going to beat on. My concern was about the height of his handles and that it looked to me like you'd damage them when chopping through anything inorganic. He told me that it was an honest concern but that he had far fewer handles come back with problems done this way than the way that he used to do them, he more or less told me that I don't need to worry if I buy one and if I remember correctly that it was covered if I broke it.
He was a stand up guy who was a pleasure to speak to, was very kind, and is a master craftsman. I'd spend my money there in a minute if I thought that his hawk suited my needs, unfortunately all of the ones I handled seemed to me to be made for fighting as job one and for destruction as job two. The head height was a little short for my taste, and the handle thing bugged me just enough (all in my head, I know) that I ended up buying a couple of RMJ Hawks.

I also had the pleasure of speaking with Ryan for about 5 minutes, salt go the earth kind of guy who gave a serviceman a new hawk in trade for his old one on the spot just because the guy had mentioned that he liked the new skull crusher cap on the shrike and that he had wanted a different color but could only get what he had. Ryan switched it for him with the only request being that the serviceman sign the old hawk so Ryan could put it up on his wall- AWESOME GUY, master craftsman, and a pleasure to speak with. I did spend my money on his products later, a Shrike (full size), and a Jenny Wren.
The Shrike fits the bill for what I need a hawk for, the handles aren't " in the way", I like that it's a rubberized handle, and I don't know if it's lighter but it sure feels like it is while still having a proper weight distribution that gives the impression that you could take apart an APC with it. Feels just a little less like a property destroyer than the Winkler (to me) while still retaining the feel of being a great fighter and very useful tool for whatever task you throw at it.

Someone above posted that they're like a Kia and a Bugatti, I disagree wholeheartedly. I'd say that they're like two of the same Lamborghini, both fast and perfect, just depends on which color you like best and how hard you plan on mashing the pedal.

Good luck choosing. I say if one looks sexier to you then get that one first.
 
Thanks everybody for your opinions on both the RMJ and Winkler. Ive decided to go with the combat axe because like one said it just felt so right in hand. Luckily I have found a local dealer that has almost every blade finish/scale option winkler combat axe in stock and at a 10% discount.
 
Let us all know what you think of it when you get it and congrats on purchasing such a fine hawk.
 
Who said I was offended? I just asked a question based on your comparison. Seems to me the difference in quality and features between a KIA and Bugatti have a huge gap.....no? Are you suggesting that a Winkler and an RMJ tomahawk have a similar gap?

Just taking your statement at face value.

I think he was talking to/about Scouter?
 
"I sacrificed strength for cutting ability. Most of your hooking is going to be cutting and most of your impact hitting is going to be on the upper, forward edge and spike. Can you break the beard if you try hard enough? Yes, but I decided that the incredible advantage of the hooking/cutting edge outweighed the strength factors." - From the horses mouth.

I want a superior tool not one that has a known flaw. I'm also opting for what Dev Gru opts for. After all, they do all the testing for the most innovative tactical weapons on planet earth. I'll take their word for it.

Have you ever seen a Shrike in person?
Yes, the beard comes to a fine point. Mr.Johnson told us why he decided to design it that way, and for its intended purpose, and even woods use, he is exactly right. Can you break it? Sure -- IF you repeatedly slam it into structural steel, or concrete. But you'll have to do it for a long time, and probably in more than one session to break it. Even then, it widens quickly into the rest of the bit, so you might break off 3/16" or so, but that's it. The design, however is a plus, not a flaw. If you watch his videos on the RMJ hawks, you'll see him destroy cars and chop concrete and shows him cutting through and then "can openering" sheet steel, and the beard is no worse the wear.

For the general-purpose use the OP asked about, either one works just fine.

If he wanted a breacher, I'd recommend the RMJ offerings over the Winkler.

If he wanted a CQB hawk, I'd recommend the Winkler (specifically the RnD Compact, not the combat axe) over the RMJ.

Both company's offerings are more than strong enough for GP use.
 
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