Ros Knives?

SN is full tang, but in general it is hidden tang - full length (same as KaBar). This is only way to make stacked leather or stacked bark handle.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Thanks!

This is what really interesting:
Vacuum Arc Remelting and Electroslag remelting

I remember reading about ESR in the article about Yasuki which first in the Western World secretly adopted this technology (stolen from USSR I suppose and it was presented as an achvement of Hitachi Metals in that article) and never hear about it after.

So it looks like it is not too much alloed but have this special remelting process instead.
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The application of 110x18M steel grade
When dealing with precision bearings employed in mission-critical systems where they have to operate without lubrication under high temperature conditions in corrosive mediums, one needs to use a metal of a special chemical composition and as free as possible of nonmetallic inclusions. The research of 1966 ascertained that 110x18M steel grade is the one to meet all requirements. To decrease the content of nonmetallic inclusions, vacuum-arc remelting (VAR) was suggested.

Point analysis of maximal nonmetallic inclusion content
Nitrides Oxides

Conventional remelting 4 points 4 points
Electroslag remelting (ESR) 2 points 2 points
Vacuum-arc remelting (VAR) 1 point 0.5 - 1.0 points

Metals undergoing double remelting (ESR + VAR) have half as many nonmetallic inclusions as compared with ESR plus a reduced gas component. The metal density is greather than when applying ESR alone. Thanks to that we have better plastic properties, improved polishabiliti, and good strength characteristics. Milled carbides help to grind the blade's edge and keep it constantly sharp.

All the above factors prolong the bearing service life.

Electroslag remelting process (ESR) is an arcless process of remelting a metal electrode in a flux bath. Electrofluxed metal is noted for its premium quality, lower impurity and gas content, improved micro- and macrostructure, lower anisotrophy (directional property), twice as high mechanical properties, two up to five times more reduced nonmetallic inclusion content (such as oxides, sulphides, globules), higher wear-resistance and contact resistance, plus minor improvment of other characteristics. Electrofluxed metal is used in the production of steels and alloys for defense industry and aircraft industry. Warranty assurance is twenty years.
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Thanks, Vassili.
 
It also has some Titanium in comosition...

Really promising combination - proven by generation of Cyberian and Uralus hanters knife design and hundreds years old knifemaking process with supermodern steel used in soviet military hi-tech...

Thanks, Vassili.
 
7k7k99 said:
forgive a stupid question, but these are not 'full-tang' knives are they?
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no quite, the pommel,, nromaly of textolite screws down compressing the grip,, so they would be "full tang" but the screw is in the pommel and not at the end of it,,
 
I just received a Fox 1 from Bladematrix (great dealer!). The fit and finish of the knife is very well done. The leather washer handle has excellent ergonomics, is extremely comfortable, and fills the hand nicely. The micarta butt cap and guard are a nice touch. On the down-side, this is by no means a heavy duty knife. The blade steel is very thin and flexes a little. I would not try to pry anything at all with this knife, including a brick of cheese. The sheath is very poorly made: thin leather and did not even fit the knife properly. I would be concerned with the tip penetrating the leather or cutting the stitching. The Fox 1 would be good for light camp duties, but when all is said and done, I would prefer to take my Dozier.
 
dfukumoto said:
...On the down-side, this is by no means a heavy duty knife...
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Yes, when you buy this, you should check blade thickness. So many models are thin due to stupid Russian law - leftower from commies baning certain knives. So you need to pay attention and check thickness of the blade. Camp knife is Fox II or better Taiga, Fox 2 more like fighter.

On the RosArms website there are information about blade thickness:

http://www.rosarmsusa.com/fox-1.htm - Blade thicknes: 0.08 in (2.2 mm)

http://www.rosarmsusa.com/fox-2.htm - Blade thicknes: 0.2 in (5 mm)

I have Edelveis - 0.08" and it is excellent sliser with thin and wide blade, hollow grind.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I have seen some other complaints about the blade thickness of ROS knives. My Fry has a thin blade, but since it is a very small knife to begin with, it isn't a big deal. But I certainly would not want a larger knife with such a thin blade.
 
I would warn everyone about some Argentinian knives for sale on the internet. The blades are very thin, like kitchen knives.
 
I recently ordered a Bizon the one I got has polished aluminum Bolster and Pommel instead of micarta Rosarms has a selection of other knives with aluminum pommels and bolsters that are sold in the US only according to the website.

Is this going to be the current trend and how does aluminum compare to micarta. I am guessing that micarta would be well suited for very cold environments to keep conduction of the cold to the hands at a minimum. Could that be why micarta might be prefered in Russia. I don't think many places in the US get that cold. Nevertheless I really like my Bizon. It's very well balanced,well made, beautiful, and takes a sharp edge.

I am fasinated by the unique looks of some the quality Russian knives and the fact that they are Russian made.
 
I also have the Rosarms Edelweiss with birch bark handle for a few months. I was a little disappointed when I noticed how thin the blade was until I sharpened the thing. I turns out the steel is very high quality it took me a little longer than usual to sharpen, but when finished the edge was very very very sharp, sharper than any of my other shaving sharp knives.

It dawned on me that this thing is not made for looks, although it does look good, but for cutting (as in skinning probably.) The birch bark and walnut handle insulates the hands from cold during the winter from what I read. Very lightweight overall and well balanced. I am more of a collector than a user but I do admire the above qualities.

Is this model popular among Russian hunters ?
 
Congratulation! You will be surprized by this steel which is Russian BG-42, it is not clone of BG42 it is in use for decades in space-military as a stainless ball bearing steel. Composition is close to top of 440C grade - key to success as well as I know is combination of Electro Slug Remelting + Vacuum Arc Remelting processes which make it so good and allow supplier to issue 20 year warranty on ball bearings they made out of this steel for MIGs and SUs and Southes.

In Russia guard for this thick blade is illegal. And models for Russian market do not have guard at all (except with thin blade). Even witout guard I think you can buy it only if you are registered hunter and must register this knife also. I think micarta is good material for butt, but not too good for guard, which has more complex geometry and stand different pressure - well, metal is better.

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Side note - Communists (ruler of the Russia at the time when this law was introduced) were pretty afraid of their people, not because people were so brutal or agressive, but because communists perfectly know what they are doing to their people - it was just a matter of precaution, to be safe when you commiting crime against your victoms, just to make them unarmed and absolutely harmless. Of course it was introduced as a matter of fighting crime... Honestly, communists succed, in a short term...
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I like this company also because this is one of the new Russian bussines which grown up by itself from zero. This is not old soviet manufacturing plant which someone grab during crazy privatization and became this way rich. This guys creates themselfs by production quality and hard work ower last ten years becoming from nothing to major Russian knifemaker and now they make their way to US. Which is pretty amaizing!

Thanks, Vassili.
 
hi vassili, hows the u.s. ? :)

i was at the klinok show yesterday and had a look at some of there knives,,
yes some are very thin or odd shapes,, but then this is the russian law,,
the handles are very good,,
i was compearing the quality and proce of the AiR knives to the rosarms stuff,, as they are basicly the same froms and style,, and the rosarms knives generaly seem quite lower in price and as a whole a better quality,,
the sheaths of the AiR knives were quite decent,, the rosarms sheaths were not as good, but the price was somewhat lower .. but the chap at the company booth showed me the sheaths they are sending or going to send the knvies for export in, and they were far better .. with a brass piller for the retaINING STUD INSTEAD OF A snap stud,, and heavy hard leather with laquered edges and with heavy stiching,,
they were quite nice,,
the grinding on the rosarms knives was much better than that of AiR's,
much more accuratly done,,
as they are all hand ground the grind lines can be quite different form knife to knife, but the grinds on the rosarms knives were much cleaner and the tips were more precise,

i did not see if they had any new modles of knife, but AiR had a siberian.. sort of knife,.. it was somethign new form them,, it had a single grinde like a sushi knife and a wooden sheath and handle,, it was hung horizontaly,,
sort of yakut cum tanto or such,, it was odd , but interesting,,

they also had some textolite handled knives with brass gurads, and some stainless damasc pocket knives,
 
I got my first ROSarms knife last week, a small fixed blade called the "Fellow Traveler", and so far I am impressed by the quality.

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Quality is what also impressed me first when I got my first RosArms knife - Edelveis. Honestly, I did not expect good manufacturing quality from Russian knives - I bought it because I was curious about birch bark handle first and this Russian 110x18MSHD steel - ball bearing stainless steel like BG42 which I heard about a lot on Russian bade forums.

In general in Soviet Union government did not pay workers good salary and in return workers did not work well (even it was declared as working class state...) - and this goes for few generations. All goods made in Russia was pretty low quality - for example if you bought Russian made car - good dilerships in Moscow offered you special service for additional price to tighten all bolt and nuts otherwise you may loose you weel on the way home or something.

RosArms again is new bussiness started by new people and so they do not have this legacy of communist work ethic but it is really Russian bussiness, as it was 100 years ago.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
"I did not expect good manufacturing quality from Russian knives"

:( comeone.. the knives arnt that bade :D...
oh i dont realy know what i was thinking but i got my self one of skrilevs knives :O .
it seems to be better quality than some others,, so im guessing it is one of the knives he had made in slovakia.. instead of the other,, rather questionable quality ones he had made in "saro"......
see foto attached.
its of, the steel isnt the greatest, but its hard, ill check it when im back in the factory.........
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i was going to buy the model of knife "russian-3" ... but forgot, didnt go to the last day of the show.
the handles are realy great though, my only fear is that the material will shrink, and it may be hard to tighten it up without effecting the handle..
still realy good grips...
 
I have seen a dealer for these twice now, first at the AECA show this past September and at a gun show. I have been very tempted, and now that I know a little more about them... will look at them with a much more critical eye. I'm sure I'll probably end up with one.
The impressions I did have though:
Some of the models were thin. This is not a problem for me... a knife is a cutter/slicer, not a prybar.
The sheaths I saw were servicable at best... could have been a little more stout for my tastes.
The handles were VERY light, and the ergos were pretty good for my hands. I really liked the birch handles.

Hmm, will definately keep an eye out for that dealer guy.
 
monbgo.... yeah the sheaths aind much good,,,,,
but...... the sheaths they have had made for export that i saw this week were much much better,, nice and solid,,
if you do buy one ask for it with a newer sheath,, also on the newer sheaths they have brass pillar studs for the retianer strap ,, instread of the snap on studs ,,
 
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