Rottweillers and Pitbulls

Originally posted by Jailhack
scotjute,

These so called "studies" are just like most other ones. They show only the worst case scenarios. Of course a bite by a Rottie or any other large breed will result in more damage than if bit by a Poodle or any other small dog. These studies are a joke.

Another bogus thing about the studies is stated right in your own "facts". They only show "severe" or "fatal" attacks. Once again, they don't mention overall number of bites.
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Correct, and you will please take notice that he simply ignored what I wrote earlier about a careful examination of all of these breeds of dogs that do NOT attack.

That's the flaw in citing a statistic out of context. If there are 500,000 Rotties in a given year in this country and there are 4 fatalities from Rotties, that is statistically NOTHING, and the only people that throw that up in the air to see if it sticks on the ceiling are people that are fundamentally against the ownership of certain breeds of dogs and have nothing other than skewed statistics to back up their wailing.

You see this all the time in The Gun Control Debate and various discussions about "Taboo Knives." It's a red herring for people who simply do not like certain things, in this case, large breeds of dogs, to rant about the danger of them.

I don't like it when children are mauled because of dangerous dogs for whatever reason, it actually brings a tear to my eyes to see these things on the news.

Just as it does someone who does not safely operate their motor vehicle or they operate it while impaired and they kill children too.
 
Here are my statistics. I have been bitten by chihuahuas more times than all other breeds combined. Two family members had these little devils and they bit everyone at times. slewis36 is right in my estimations.

Here is my advice on what to do. Always choose the dog breed that you want. You will be more loyal to it and will try to work with it more. When you choose a puppy, choose the confidant one who is curious and comes on to you. The shy ones who don't want anything to do with people may be the ones who will bite later. Maybe not all of them but the confidant ones are more trustworthy in my estimation. Don't throw them out in the backyard and forget about them. Do something with only them at least once a day. Walk it somewhere which is good for you too or throw balls for it to chase. Pet it at least once a day. I just let them take over my house and forget about it. If you don't like a dog enough to do those small things, then maybe a cat would be a good choice.:barf:
 
Ummm, how do you "own" a dog like its another thing?
Heck, how do you "own" any animal?

The way I see it, the animal is there because you and the animal share a special bond.
 
Originally posted by D7reamers
Ummm, how do you "own" a dog like its another thing?
Heck, how do you "own" any animal?

The way I see it, the animal is there because you and the animal share a special bond.
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I won't get into a discussion of certain things, I'm not a big believer in what has come to be known as, "Animal Rights." I don't believe in it really, I believe animals have no rights in the way we humans do. Humans have responsibilities to the animals, however. That's the way I frame it.

If you take on the responsibility of an animal, for whatever reason, that right there is the deal. It matters not if the animal is a pet and loved companion or an investment or if you need the dog to perform a task for you, like Self-protection, herding, etc.

When you take on that responsibility, you should treat the animal well, humanely. No torturing or depriving the animal of anything it needs to survive and survive in relative comfort. That's domestication.

If the animal is given to you, or you otherwise obtain it for free from a shelter or you find the animal and take it in, under your care, I can see your argument about ownership.

If you purchase the dog, for whatever reason, you can choose to say, "I don't own the dog." Or, you can choose to say you do, either choice is correct. But to say that someone paid X Amount of dollars for an animal and they do not "own it," is emotional to me, it is sentimental. I'm a human, of course I can own a dog, or a pig, cow, livestock, whatever.
 
Allow me to jump right in. I am the latter part of this screen name. Admittedly his implies a form of ownership, but that is a real laugh.

Excuse me Don, but I have owned a human for five years. Obviously you have not come into contact with a Cairn Terrier. We are not dogs in the sense that you would label a dog. Your legal prose has nothing to do with reality as you would find it should you encounter my type of being.

I am Winston Argylshire III. I have taste that far exceeds most humans. I can run faster, hear better, smell things that you can only talk statistically about and can charm the ladies like you might dream about. Ownership? It's all in your mind. Now you may serve the main course.

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Hi, I am his human and I had absolutly nothing to do with this.:D
 
All 'a that and you don't pay a damned bit of taxes or anything else, friggin' hairy stooges. Christ, Bladeforums really is going to the dogs.
 
Dog and his Boy,
The Chihuahuas can be nasty critters, but , like the large breeds,
it is due to the way they are raised. I have had 3 now, and they
were not biters. The one I have now, I would take to the local supermarket about an hour per week. I would just stand outside and let people come up and pet her. She is 6 yrs old now, and although she is a yappy thing, she knows that biting and snaping are not allowed. Little dogs, big dogs, it all boils down to the way they are
raised. It's just that the small ones seem to have a heart all out of proportion to their size. ........slewis36:D :p
 
slewis36, I agree but it was my misfortune to run into these particular two. They were raised gently and were spoiled. They just did not put up with anything that they didn't like. I have met plenty of well behaved ones too so it was statistical bad luck.

There are three very funny ones that live about half a mile from me. When Winston and I walk by they escape under the fence and follow us. They are all different colors and patterns. One of them is the Alpha and he will get the closest. Winston does not like them to come too close though and I don't want them to wander off in front of a car so I stomp my foot and yell at them and they all three yelp and yelp all they way home and one by one go back under the fence. It is hilarious.
 
I've owned dogs for my entire life. Early on when in my mid-teens I got a female American Pit Bull Terrier. She was my best friend for all of 14 years, and never gave me a bit of trouble. She was a great watch dog and a perfect pet. Loyal to the core, but never aggressive except in a watch dog type manner.
So when she passed away, I replaced her with another female Pit Bull named Jazzabelle.
I'm a rancher, and my my wife and I have two dogs, Jazz the Pit Bull and a male Border Collie named Scout. Scout is my wife's dog, and he works the ranch. He watches our herd of Angora Goats incredibly well. This is his sole purpose in life and we treat him the utmost respect and kindness.
Jazz however has little interest in our herd. But she is ALWAYS within arms reach of me when I'm working the ranch, or if I'm away on business, she's always within sight of my wife. Jazz is vigilant in her quest to protect and warn.
During the two short years that we've had Jazz she has killed three Western Diamondback rattlers without getting bitten, and one of these rattlers was perhaps a second or two away from biting my wife.
Jazz guards UPS packages of knives in our absence until I get home to retrieve them. She literally cannot be coaxed away from a UPS package, and I have no clue as to why, other than that she seems to know that they're important to me.
Jazz isn't at all large for a Pit Bull (perhaps 50 pounds), but she has taken out a Bobcat, a wolf, and two coyotes during her time here on the ranch, along with the above mentioned rattlers. Yet she is incredibly sweet to human visitors, as well as nurturing to our baby goats and llamas. She is merely anti-predator, as am I.
Jazz sleeps upon my feet at night. If she "woofs", I know that it's time to get up with the Steyr AUG and look for a problem.
She is my friend, she is our guardian, and she is everything I could ever hope for in a dog. And she's a Pit Bull.
People who think that certain breeds of dogs are inherently dangerous are psychos, and therefore have no business owning any type of dog whatsoever.
Dogs treat you as you treat them. Sure, some dogs are very aggressive, but someone has caused this. Someone deeply warped and predatory.

Teach a dog who is "Alpha" and they will always remember this. All dogs are pack animals, and all dogs merely want to find their place within the pack. My dogs have purpose and are appreciated within my family. They therefore know their place within their pack.
This is the foundation upon which having a successful dog should be built.
 
Some people just hate dogs, like they or others hate guns or knives. Sh*t, you don't have to even leave Bladeforums to find people who hate Balisongs, Switchblades or anything that even remotely smells like "Edged Weapon" or "fighting" or "combat."

It's always the same mentality at work. Blame the many and punish them for the acts of a select few. Bend a statistic to fit your argument without placing it in context. Same old~same old. It never ends.

"But what if it saves just ONE LIFE!?!?!!?"

Well, if it saves one life keeping them, isn't that valid as well?
 
I just have to say this: Wow, you keep a Steyr AUG next to your bed! Could you call my wife and talk her into letting me do the same.
 
Eric, You sound like the kind of person who should "own" a dog.
Your level of respect and caring for your four legged friends just shines
through your post.

You are like me in the fact that we don't treat our pets as pets but as true
friends and family members. Animals can sense that and respond accordingly.
You are also correct that if the animal is sound of mind to start with it is ususally
the human that mess him up into becoming a mean dog.

The mindset of the owner and understanding that pets are God's living creatures
is where all to many humans fall down when it come to training and CARING for
any pet.

A animal can be breed for one specific purpose ,but the human involved determins
the eventual outcome of the actual use.
 
I've been around dogs all 16 years, 2 months, 14 hours, and 23 minutes I've been alive.

Most of them have been big dogs.

My current companion is 150 pounds of Rottweiler, named Worf.
He is literally the sweetest dog I have ever known.
He is good with children, even ones who pull his ears or slap him, and good with small animals like cats or other dogs.
He's never been a problem with the livestock, never even tried to pull down a calf.
He is far from vicious. He lets the cats boss him around.

He is always friendly, even to strangers, unless I have a bad reaction tot hem, and then he wont go near them, he just sits there and gives them his flat hard, "I am rottweiler, you are chew toy if you hurt the boss" look (anyone who owns/is owned by a rotty will know exactly what this look is, the rest of ya are just SOL :p).

I've never seen him act in agression towards anything, including people, without provacation.

One time a "friend" (I use the term very very lightly :mad:) kicked at Worf, not real sure why, I think just to try and shoo him off.
Whatever it was, it pissed me off, and it pissed Worf off. I was tempted just to let him do his thing (NO ONE mistreats my dogs! NO ONE!) but I grabbed him by the collar and it was all I could do to hold back 150 pounds of snarling dog who was ready to defend what was his against attack from an outsider. But, as soon as i told him to back down, he did, he just sat down and kept on giving Clim the flat hard look.

I see nothing wrong in the way he behaved. Clim made a mistake, and he made an attack on a dog that was otherwise gonna be perfectly happy just to shove his nose in the guys crotch and then wander off and do his thing.
If someone had kicked at me for no good reason, there wouldnt have been anyone to hold me back from 'em.

My dog and I are a great deal alike, you are nice to him, kind, friendly, sweet, he will be the same to you. Same for me, nice, kind, friendly to me, ditto. You are mean to him, or to me whil ehe is around, you are in trouble. You are mean to me, or to my dog while I am around, you are in trouble.

He is nice, he is sweet, he thinks he is 150 pounds of lap-dog.
But, like most of the humans here and like me, he is ready to defend his loved ones, and himself, with everything he has got.
I dont say that makes him vicious, it doesnt, it makes him a little closer to human...

I am more afraid of people than I am of a dog like a Rotty or a Pit that is in good and loving hands.

Factoid: Rottweilers, originally from the town of Rottweil (Red Tile) in Germany, were working dogs, not "War Dogs", they pulled carts, and guarded live-stock.
 
family member definitely

if the dog is of sound mind then the owner messed him up, I totally agree.

we have neighbors who keep their dog chained to a short leash in their yard it cries constantly day and night. this is bullsh**.

Don, if that makes me an animal rights activist than so be it. you just don't treat animals that way.
 
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